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Hugh	15-02-2018 13:40

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35936921)

Even if they had far stricter gun controls these people will always get their hands on a gun sadly as we have very strict gun controls in the UK and that did not stop the Hungerford , Dunblane and other shootings.

Australians would disagree...

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gu...ralia-updated/

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“While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.”

“In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4).”

“In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33).”

“[T]he drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback.”

Paul	15-02-2018 13:59

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35937009)

Banning of Handguns came after Dunblane, how many maniacs have gone on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK since?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35937009)

Guns are available in the UK, but mainly shotguns.
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With a semi-or modified to full - automatic assault rifle, victims in double figures is easily achieved.

Semi Automatic rifles are perfectly legal in the UK for .22 (which I assure you can kill).
Larger calibres are also allowed, just not actual semi-auto - but you could still easily kill a lot of people with them if you wanted.

Dude111

15-02-2018 17:46

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: 17 School Students shot dead in another Mass shooting in America....

Yes and there are STILL PEOPLE who are defending these guns!!

Mr Banana

15-02-2018 18:12

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35937018)

As many as before Dunblane, it was a one off in the UK.

Under the rules at the time, he should not have been granted a licence to own them.

Banning handguns didnt really achieve anything except prevent legal ownership by target shooters - illegal guns are still in use daily.
Legally owned guns are almost never used in crime, because they are easy to trace, as are the owners.

Semi Automatic rifles are perfectly legal in the UK for .22 (which I assure you can kill).
Larger calibres are also allowed, just not actual semi-auto - but you could still easily kill a lot of people with them if you wanted.

According to Trump today - So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

Trump in Feb 2017 - President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

richard s

15-02-2018 19:44

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

GUNS SUCK....end of story. Guns equal death.

Hugh	15-02-2018 20:17

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35937043)

GUNS SUCK....end of story. Guns equal death.

Guns are just a tool - but unfortunately, some people fetishise them...

Damien

15-02-2018 20:27

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

It appears the shooter was part of a white nationalist group

Mick	15-02-2018 21:52

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35937038)

He didn't quietly sign it, it was well publicized at the time... and the law that had existed wasn't exactly a fantastic and water tight law and it would not have stopped the shooter yesterday, as that previous law had existed, because he would not have met the criteria to be reported to the national gun background check system.

To have met the reporting checks....

a) They would have to be receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and

b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.

The teenager accused of the high school shooting in Parkland and killing 17 people, it is very unlikely they would have met either of the criteria laid out to be reported under that prior rule.

Republicans are getting a lot of stick for rescinding that law but it's important to point out that, Democrat Senators, 5 of them to be precise voted with the GOP Senators to reverse it and as already pointed out, it would not have stopped Las Vegas shooting massacre or the Florida shooting yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35937058)

It appears the shooter was part of a white nationalist group

But he killed white kids/Adults, I don't think it matters who he was affiliated to, he was firing indiscriminately, everybody was a target to him.

He was also said to be known to the FBI who are said to have investigated a reporting about a threat made on a Youtube video saying he wanted to become a professional school shooter.

TheDaddy

15-02-2018 22:00

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 35936966)

As the late great Bill Hicks pointed out, the Second Amendment has been thoroughly misinterpreted.

To clarify, Article 2 of the Bill Of Rights states:

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."

The militia in this context refers to the National Guard...and not to the general population. It does not say 'the people' have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say that at all. It means that the people in the militia have the right to bear arms, and implies the people have the right to form a militia in time of need (and to bear arms once they've done so) - it says nothing about anyone not in the militia.

But Americans apparently don't notice the all-important words before the comma, and thus assume a constitutional right which does not in fact exist.

Bill also pointed out that in America, where guns are readily available, there are many thousands of gun-related deaths every year; whereas in the UK, where guns are not so readily available, there are usually less than a hundred (well, it might be more than that now; Love All The People, from which I'm quoting, was published in 2004).

Correlation, anybody?

What if Bill Hicks misinterpreted it to, what if it's actually the right to bear arms, big furry arm covers with claws on the end.

Damien

15-02-2018 22:03

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The police are saying they haven't found a connection to that Milita: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/new...say/341751002/ the claim was made by the leader of the group

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35937060)

But he killed white kids/Adults, I don't think it matters who he was affiliated to, he was firing indiscriminately, everybody was a target to him.

We don't know if the report of him being a white nationalist is true yet. The claim was made by the leader of the group but the police aren't sure.

However these types of extremists do target people of 'their' group as well. Look at the killer of Jo Cox for example. But as I said now the police aren't convinced so.

Mr Banana

15-02-2018 22:06

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How sickening that members of both parties tweet saying how heartbroken they are over the shootings, yet happily take money from the NRA.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/15/list-u...ation-7314597/

GrimUpNorth

15-02-2018 22:53

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35937060)

So it wouldn't have caught this guy, but now it's not going to catch anyone :rolleyes:. So what was the rationale? I assume it's been replaced by something much more watertight?

Cheers

Dave

Mick	15-02-2018 23:12

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I really don't think any law suddenly introduced today would help change a thing, there are so many millions of guns in circulation in the U.S, that no amount of gun control would help because it would require one hell of a gun amnesty to get rid of them all and you are talking thousands and thousands of tons of guns here being handed over at will and there is no guarantee such an amnesty would get them all because there would be millions of American people not willing to part with them.

Hugh	15-02-2018 23:20

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But if you can stop 18 year olds with mental health problems getting hold of a semi-automatic rifle, it would be a start...

He was

- was too young to buy beer
- was expelled from school for violence
- had mental health treatment
- had been reported to the FBI for boasting he'd shoot up a school on YouTube
- could buy an AR-15 legally

Something wrong there...

Mr Banana

16-02-2018 07:05

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35937076)

They could have a ban and amnesty on the type of guns they can have.

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