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Top 10 Films of 2017 ;

1 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2 Beauty and the Beast
3 The Fate of the Furious
4 Despicable Me 3
5 Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle
6 Spider-Man: Homecoming
7 Wolf Warrior 2
8 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
9 Thor: Ragnarok
10 Wonder Woman

While the oscars ignore the most popular films they are meaningless to me, and increasingly the public it seems (based on declining viewing figures).

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I don't think the Oscars have ever been massively relevant to film choices anyway. Star Wars hardly suffers for it's lack of Oscar success nor do Marvel. They generally give a boost to the films underneath those categories and also give better opportunities to those who've won them in the industry. Remember they're an industry award, voted for by others in the industry, so it's less about what the public thinks as to what directors/writers/actors/producers think.

The Oscars themselves haven't changed that much. You list the most popular films but how often have the Oscars ever awarded commercial success alone? Rarely. I can only think of Titanic and Lord of the Rings that were massive successes in cinemas and won Best Picture.

The other thing is that they tend to award originality and all but one in that list were sequels or reboots. The other one still being a Franchise Film (Wonder Woman).

I rarely agree with Best Picture anyway. This year I wanted it to be Dunkirk.

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I agree. For me Best Film award is literally "what was the best film last year" and I would define that as what film moved you the most or wowed you the most. It doesn't have to be a special effects or action romp like The Avengers, which film had the best story and affected you emotionally? For me it was Dunkirk and Blade Runner and I think either of those two should have got Best Picture.

In order for a film to reach such a high standard it would have to fulfil other requirements to make it so good so you would expect it to excel in other areas depending on the genre such as effects/music/cinematography/soundetc. I would gladly have seen either of those films sweep up those categories because they cumulatively contributed to make an excellent movie. I was ecstatic when Blade Runner got cinematography because it is such a beautiful and perfect scifi film.

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No it’s more to do with the Oscars getting more political, same with the NFL, their viewing ratings are way down as well. If these shows are going to continue down this path of alienating the other half of the country because of who they voted for, their ratings are just going to keep on tanking.

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yeah. I love watching awards shows like the Oscars and Golden Globes as a celebration of movies. I am sick and tired of hearing about equal pay, black people, women's rights, suicide and everything else.

They have been flapping about opportunities for black people for donkeys years and this year they admitted they had pretty much got it sorted and are now moving onto equal opportunities for women. For as long as I can remember they have been moaning about the lack of female directors from an awards point of view and they had a dig this year that Greta Gerwig was the only female director nominated. I wanted to reach into the tv, punch them all and bang their heads into the wall. Have they heard of Patty Jenkins and one of the most successful films of the year (and the most successful as far as female directors go). Did you put her forward for a nomination? No! So they have only got themselves to blame.

In terms of discrimination though and equal opportunities I have long said that it can go the other way as well. People should be nominated on merit. Just because you are a female director (or black actor etc) doesn't mean you should be nominated for the sack of equal representation in the category.

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That's what Trump and people say but traditional viewing of television has been declining across most program types (apart from News it seems). The NFL went down. But then so has NASCAR which isn't political. The Winter Olympics had the lower viewing figures too and again not much politics there. Grammys had their lowest year too.

Over the last 10 years TV viewing has plummeted:

http://adage.com/article/media/ratings/303574/

Not everything is about Trump. Plus as I said this isn't new to the Oscars, they've always been liberal, I remember the outrage when they were having at go at the Iraq war.....

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I never mentioned Trump at all. I said getting political and who people voted for, that means either way. Same having some kind of cult protest, like the MeToo movement, big turn off.

Cannot just say this is a general decline, the drop in viewership in just 4 years is huge because of the political attitudes on these shows.

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Giving what we've found out about Hollywood I would think it's the causes of Me Too that would turn people off rather than the 'cult movement' itself.

I dunno. It's always been there. Hollywood is very democratic and very liberal. As I said during the Iraq war there was this stuff that everyone was sick of them too.

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The problem is that because Hollywood is run by white males (mostly), the opportunities for women and minorities are few and far between; it's not a level playing field.

The fact that Patty Jenkins got to direct Wonder Woman was an anomaly, not the norm - the "powers that be" have kept saying that films about women or minorities won't make money, which is why they said they didn't make them, which was a self-fulfilling prophecy; now we've had hits like Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Get Out, here's hoping there are more opportunities available.

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I think Captain Marvel is going to be massive and I don't understand why they never did a Black Widow film. Marvel MCU + Scarlett Johansson = $$$$$$$$$$

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The first Oscar ceremony lasted 15 minutes and you know what people said about it, that it was to long, I concur now as I would have then, mind you a ticket back then was the equivalent of 71 bucks so I would have gone, definitely, would have been a great story for not much cash

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Award shows are all tedious. Brit awards even more so as they pretend to not be tedious with all the faux-rebellious stuff (sometimes they've been drinking! THE HORROR!).

I'm still interested in who won the proper ones though.

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I think this is very apt and you'll all appreciate this given the discussion we have been having.

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How films/etc. are nominated.

http://collider.com/how-are-oscar-no...chosen/#images

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that's good to know. I was aware how they voted category wise but I think the preferential voting is new this year. They mentioned it on Sky during the ceremony but didn't go into how it worked so it is good to know.