Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

I don't think it's being human, it's being a moron, you can have strong feelings without resorting to behaviour like this especially when you consider the people they're threatening are looking after other very ill children to.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

I guess a lot of Doctors would say the same. I.E There are limits to what medicine can do.

I think the critical difference here is that this is ending life support. People can't chose intervention to end to their lives but they can chose to stop receiving treatment other than palliative care.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

I have as little to do with social media as i ca, like most i have a facebook account the wife uses for some game or other but even I'm aware of how unpleasant much of the social media is and society just isn't prepared for it. In many ways we are still an analog society in terms of laws and attitudes and the internet while i personally think is the best thing that's happened to the vast vast majority has become an easy way for those in society who used to be unacceptable to project their hatred, ignorance and violence to a wider audience and once it's picked up by a few like a snowball it rolls and we get to where we are.

While there are politicians and people i loathe and utterly despise i don't wish them physical harm nor would i threaten it because i was brought up to think for myself and have a decent idea of right and wrong. Many of the most active hate spreaders on non religious issues such as this are under 35 and their general attitude is more hostile and reactionary then those who are older. We have a big problem within our society that no one wants to acknowledge let alone discuss or try to rectify and it's getting worse and will lead to physical violence.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

Pure little chap sadly has or never will have a life. As for the morons issuing death threats to the good folk at the hospital shame on them, what type of people are these.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

Palliative care isn't pain or suffering free though. We had the pleasure of my perfectly lucid father gradually fading away over a period of a couple of weeks when nobody wanted that, least of all him. They're arguing that the little lad might be in pain. They say 'might' be because they don't actually know for sure. IMHO if he is in pain and if he was able to articulate his feelings he'd accept the pain and discomfort for a chance of life and to be with his loved ones just like so many, for example, young cancer suffers do. How many of them just give up? The vast majority fight and endure sometimes years of pain, discomfort, investigations and treatment just to cling onto life. Why would he be any different? There's no doubt in my mind that he should be given that chance albeit a very slim one it seems. It's really is the most awful situation and the parents need to be allowed to play their last card for their little lad.

Getting back to the OP, there are plenty of people I detest but I wouldn't threaten them or wish them dead. Whether or not those who issue these 'death threats' really mean it is doubtful in the vast majority of cases but it does say something very sad about them.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

Speaking personally i hang on because I haven't been in pain my whole life and can remember a time when i was fully fit and i understand medical technology is progressing all the time and may allow me oneday to be pain free again. How much of that applies to this poor little kid he may be in excruciating pain and may be so for the rest of his life with no end in sight and won't have a time without pain to keep him going and has zero comprehension of medical technology. Parents instinctively choose what may prolong his life and that's 100% natural and understandable and I can't imagine being in their shoes but the medical staff and I'm assuming more then a couple came to their conclusion because they believe it's the right outcome.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

The trouble is that it's a guessing game on both sides of the argument and in that sad eventuality the chance of life has to be taken. IIRC this treatment can be easily administered and is as risk free as anything is. As I said before, this lad's already been left in this state for far longer than needed to be the case simply because of all the arguing. Just give the medication and see. That's the only way something good can come of this even if that is just the parents being able to say they did everything they could. If they don't get that chance they'll be left forever wondering why and suffering even more. I reckon they've all suffered enough.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

pro lifers ?

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

GOSH's own views are here: http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-as...ard-court-case

Explains their motivations on this case.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

Sadly, there are two sides to this. And members have forgotten this.

The death threats to the medical staff is unforgivable. BUT, we are talking about a persons life in the hands of Drs. here.

If it was my child, l would do everything possible to keep that child alive. And seeking EVERY medical help where possible.

The parents have been given help from across the world. And l believe there are several children's alive with the same symptoms. As the parents did not give up.

The biggest problem is, and l have said this for years. America is about twenty years ahead of us on Medical grounds. And are always prepared to test new drugs, and medical techniques. Whereas this country gives up.

The emotions of relatives and many friends are in a position where there opinion's are high on the agenda.

Lawyers are working for nothing to help the parents. BUT, it doesn't help when GOSH lawyers say something, before the parents are told. That is totally wrong.

The poor little boy is being seen by Drs from abroad.

GOSH Drs, do have a certain right for the patient, but l firmly believe that if the poor boy, is beyond medical help. Then the parents should be allowed home to die with dignity

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

Reading that does make me come down more on the GOSH side and while parents should have the comfort of knowing they did all they could in this case a US doctor is still willing to use the treatment that will do the kid no good and will not reverse any of the existing damage to the brain. This is a truly tragic situation but no one has anything concrete to attempt on the kiddie that will give him a manageable let alone half decent life and sadly if nucleoside didn't work I'm sure it won't be long before another doctor somewhere comes up with another treatment for the parents to put their hopes on.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

It's just not going to end well for the poor boy whatever is decided..

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

No it's one of those situations where there is no winner no happy ending and when we are talking about a little kiddie one of those things that should make us all sick and hope it's a very rare situation.

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

BREAKING: Parents withdraw the application in the court room, to take Charlie to the US saying time has run out and it is no longer in Charlie's best interest. :(

Re: Charlie Gard: Death threats sent to Great Ormond Street staff
 

Heartbreaking