Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35867987)

maybe voting by text might encourage them that way they don't have to leave the sofa ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35867989)

Nice to see your reliable daily stereotyping is alive and well.;)

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35868049)

I will also point out that this OAP has two children to STILL support even in adult life..The Bank of Mum and Dad never shuts.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35868049)

I will also point out that this OAP has two children to STILL support even in adult life..The Bank of Mum and Dad never shuts.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35867927)

the pension system looks after those who have worked and contributed to our nation -the benefits system is so badly abused its a joke -if inflation hits 4% savers will be better off than borrowers for a change assuming interest rates rise accordingly . i agree with you that picking on the young is wrong just as wrong as turning on the old .

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35868049)

I will also point out that this OAP has two children to STILL support even in adult life..The Bank of Mum and Dad never shuts.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868210)

A post made without thought. Lost for words.

What the government is doing has little credibility, they cannot claim welfare is unaffordable when they let the biggest chunk grow unhindered to buy votes.

If we took your post as gospel we can assume every single pensioner has worked for their entire working life and every single social security claimant has never paid any taxes, which of course is complete nonsense.

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I understand your point but of course one has to remember that OAP's are only just part of the population and shouldnt really be given any preference, my own opinion is the pension rate should be linked to working age benefits in terms of when it grows or shrinks. There is no logical reason to do otherwise.

Of course also remember not every mum and dad acts like a ATM machine, me and my younger sister got kicked out at under 20 years old with only a few months notice, I still financially support my sister by taking out 0% credit to help her pay down debts because my mum and dad wont help at all (she cannot do herself as she trashed her credit rating), in fact my dad is constantly pestering us for money when I asked him what its for he says he is bored of his car and wants a new one, I mean he is a in a different world of struggles if thats his biggest problem, yet he doesnt realise with a fully paid mortgage his living costs are a fraction of our own.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868210)

A post made without thought. Lost for words.

What the government is doing has little credibility, they cannot claim welfare is unaffordable when they let the biggest chunk grow unhindered to buy votes.

If we took your post as gospel we can assume every single pensioner has worked for their entire working life and every single social security claimant has never paid any taxes, which of course is complete nonsense.

---------- Post added at 08:37 ---------- Previous post was at 08:33 ----------



I understand your point but of course one has to remember that OAP's are only just part of the population and shouldnt really be given any preference, my own opinion is the pension rate should be linked to working age benefits in terms of when it grows or shrinks. There is no logical reason to do otherwise.

Of course also remember not every mum and dad acts like a ATM machine, me and my younger sister got kicked out at under 20 years old with only a few months notice, I still financially support my sister by taking out 0% credit to help her pay down debts because my mum and dad wont help at all (she cannot do herself as she trashed her credit rating), in fact my dad is constantly pestering us for money when I asked him what its for he says he is bored of his car and wants a new one, I mean he is a in a different world of struggles if thats his biggest problem, yet he doesnt realise with a fully paid mortgage his living costs are a fraction of our own.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868270)

My parents are OAPs ;)

They think I am a cash machine :)

Quite frequently they bring up the subject about its right that OAPs should be treated better, young people should fund holidays etc. for them. I dont argue I just sit silent when they start about it. My sister was homeless for nearly 2 years and even then they were asking her for money and to be frank they are pretty comfortable, they should be happy with their situation, my sympathy may be affected by the fact they thought they stopped been parents the moment we turned 18.

A fair few of today's problems are directly as a result of the protection given to OAPs, housing, council tax relief funding, working age benefits. All affected by the preferential treatment of pensioners.

We effectively do have a battle of the generations. If you think about house prices, a fair few of the baby boomer generation have invested in property and its in their interests for rents and house prices to go up. However young people struggle with rising rents and struggle to get on the housing ladder due to the cost of buying a home.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868210)

A post made without thought. Lost for words.

What the government is doing has little credibility, they cannot claim welfare is unaffordable when they let the biggest chunk grow unhindered to buy votes.

If we took your post as gospel we can assume every single pensioner has worked for their entire working life and every single social security claimant has never paid any taxes, which of course is complete nonsense.[COLOR="Silver"]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868270)

My parents are OAPs ;)

They think I am a cash machine :)

Quite frequently they bring up the subject about its right that OAPs should be treated better, young people should fund holidays etc. for them. I dont argue I just sit silent when they start about it. My sister was homeless for nearly 2 years and even then they were asking her for money and to be frank they are pretty comfortable, they should be happy with their situation, my sympathy may be affected by the fact they thought they stopped been parents the moment we turned 18.

A fair few of today's problems are directly as a result of the protection given to OAPs, housing, council tax relief funding, working age benefits. All affected by the preferential treatment of pensioners.

We effectively do have a battle of the generations. If you think about house prices, a fair few of the baby boomer generation have invested in property and its in their interests for rents and house prices to go up. However young people struggle with rising rents and struggle to get on the housing ladder due to the cost of buying a home.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868210)

A post made without thought. Lost for words.

What the government is doing has little credibility, they cannot claim welfare is unaffordable when they let the biggest chunk grow unhindered to buy votes.
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868349)

I have an issue with the state pension being called a benefit ,fair enough it comes from the benefits budget but that doesn't mean it is a benefit imo .I'm sure most people on state pension would object to being classed as a benefit claimant after they have worked all their lives avoided claiming benefits and paid into the pension .

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868349)

I have an issue with the state pension being called a benefit ,fair enough it comes from the benefits budget but that doesn't mean it is a benefit imo .I'm sure most people on state pension would object to being classed as a benefit claimant after they have worked all their lives avoided claiming benefits and paid into the pension .