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Damien 13-10-2016 14:28

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35863311)
I see Western values in their culture and poilitics. Perhaps to more permanently align our objectives we might see more value in their point of view.

They're a dictatorship whose opposition politicians seem to end up in jail or dead. Places were journalists critical of the Kremlin end up dead. They don't share what should be considered Western values (but many here increasingly advocate abandoning). They're frequently trying to poison our political discourse by spreading false stories designed, not to promote Russia, but pit us against each other.

Kursk 13-10-2016 15:00

Re: Boris calls for protests outside Russian embassy
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35863313)
They're a dictatorship whose opposition politicians seem to end up in jail or dead. Places were journalists critical of the Kremlin end up dead. They don't share what should be considered Western values (but many here increasingly advocate abandoning). They're frequently trying to poison our political discourse by spreading false stories designed, not to promote Russia, but pit us against each other.

And so it perpetuates. Diplomacy has to find a way around the fate you have written for us.

Damien 13-10-2016 15:10

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35863327)
And so it perpetuates. Diplomacy has to find a way around the fate you have written for us.

Yes, very good. A+.

Diplomacy does not mean appeasing a regime that does these things. We treat them with caution and we not count them as an ally.

Kursk 13-10-2016 15:16

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35863328)
Yes, very good. A+.

Democracy does not mean appeasing a regime that does these things. We treat them with caution and we not count them as an ally.

The word was diplomacy; E - ;)

Damien 13-10-2016 15:19

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35863330)
The word was diplomacy; E - ;)

Typo :dunce:

But yes, diplomacy doesn't mean we treat Russia as an ally or confuse Russia for what it is, a danger to the West.

Kursk 13-10-2016 16:38

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35863331)
Typo :dunce:

But yes, diplomacy doesn't mean we treat Russia as an ally or confuse Russia for what it is, a danger to the West.

Diplomacy involves treating others with respect and coming to a mutually acceptable accord by negotiation; not achieved by bellicose statements with pre-formed notions. Imho.

Besides, what will a rally outside the Russian embassy achieve?: nothing. Except inconvenience for ordinary people going about their work. Pah.

Boris isn't shoulder-charging little kiddies in a game of pretend rugby. He's up against the big boys now.

Damien 13-10-2016 16:46

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35863351)
Diplomacy involves treating others with respect and coming to a mutually acceptable accord by negotiation; not achieved by bellicose statements with pre-formed notions. Imho.

How do you know you can trust the agreements or not be manipulated by someone with an alternative agenda? I don't think we can trust Russia, or Putin I should say, at all.

Kursk 13-10-2016 17:04

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35863356)
How do you know you can trust the agreements or not be manipulated by someone with an alternative agenda? I don't think we can trust Russia, or Putin I should say, at all.

The same question will have occurred to the Russians.

Diplomacy maintains the balance; it is delicate. Daft statements unhelpfully disrupt the equilibrium.

Hugh 13-10-2016 17:37

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35863360)
The same question will have occurred to the Russians.

Diplomacy maintains the balance; it is delicate. Daft statements unhelpfully disrupt the equilibrium.

Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

Osem 13-10-2016 17:38

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35863370)
Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

But they didn't do that remember...

denphone 13-10-2016 17:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35863370)
Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

Yes that has happened a few times before and history does have a habit of repeating itself further down the road.

Kursk 13-10-2016 18:58

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35863370)
Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

Remind me - have we ever done that?

Damien 13-10-2016 19:00

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35863403)
Remind me - have we ever done that?

Yes but so what? This isn't then and incidentally the British Empire isn't loved around the world. Russia don't get a free pass because of what's happened before. They're responsible for their actions now and so are we.

RizzyKing 13-10-2016 20:12

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I don't trust Russia i sure as hell don't like what it's become under Putin but there is zero trust on either side with good reason and both sides are to blame. Putin is a calculated chancer and he's taken advantage of situations the west has created, that said his reign of terror in Russia is taking a toll not just on other nations but ordinary Russian's and they desperately need to find a way to get rid of him though how they do that i don't know :(.

Gary L 14-10-2016 10:26

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35863443)
Russia is taking a toll not just on other nations but ordinary Russian's and they desperately need to find a way to get rid of him though how they do that i don't know :(.


They could assassinate him.
or make it look like an accident with his brakes on his car.
put something in his vodka?


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