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RizzyKing 07-07-2016 00:00
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Haven't read the report yet but hope it covers adequately the reservations and concerns raised by both the military and intelligence services as both were very frustrated back then as the only thing Blair and co wanted to hear were worst case scenarios. Arthur joining the armed forces of the uk of course means you might go to war but when you do you expect it to be in the national interest of the UK not the US. You expect to be adequately equipped and you expect there to be a plan for afterwards, none of that was present. George bush wanted to finish daddy's job and secure oil and other lucrative contracts for the US and those were the only real goals.

Blair lied and he knew damn well at the time he was lying and committed the UK to a bad military operation that cost both UK service people and UK civilians their lives, that's not even touching the utter devastation of Iraq and it's people. He should be punished for what he did but all that will happen is he will go off and make a load more money for himself he's a ******* and a disgrace.

Don't compare Iraq to the Falklands as they have nothing in common.

TheDaddy 07-07-2016 02:12
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35848510)
I have several points to make on this subject. So if members can bear with me on this matter.

1) When personnel join the Armed Service, they do KNOWING FULL WELL THEY CAN GO TO WAR.

2) A relative of mine used to serve on the HMS Eagle in the Royal Navy. He joined knowing full well he could go to war.

3) we had a PM in Tony Blair, who took advice on several occasions. To sought out permission to deal with a dictator.

4) He made a decision to go to war, with America. And dispose of a dictator in Saddam Hussann.

I feel for the people of the loss of life.

But why state that Tony Blair is a Terrorist. We have major problems with IS at the moment, and yet, we are standing still and allowing this to happen.

Are we as a country supposed to stand still, and allow this to continue.

We have Mugabe, who is torturing people in his country, for many years, and we do nothing.

Surely we have to draw the line at something.

Every time a PM or President makes decision to go to war, to go through the diplomatic route - while innocent people are killed , tortured, yet we stand still.

IF Tony Blair has broken ANY law, then he must face the full force of the law. Its like with the Falklands.

Did we need to go to war with Argentina. And have terrible casualties ?

BUT, l might be bad here. BUT, if you join the Armed Forces, then you do, do what your commanding officer.

And not being funny some of the Demonstrators in London, were that young. They probably don't know what the fighting was about.

PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG.
Do you ever get tired of being proven wrong. The difference between gulf war 2 and Falklands is that we weren't led into an illegal war based on lies, to not know even the most basic facts regarding this shows you've not paid any attention over the last decade or so.

Sirius 07-07-2016 06:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35848510)
I have several points to make on this subject. So if members can bear with me on this matter.

1) When personnel join the Armed Service, they do KNOWING FULL WELL THEY CAN GO TO WAR.

2) A relative of mine used to serve on the HMS Eagle in the Royal Navy. He joined knowing full well he could go to war.

3) we had a PM in Tony Blair, who took advice on several occasions. To sought out permission to deal with a dictator.

4) He made a decision to go to war, with America. And dispose of a dictator in Saddam Hussann.

I feel for the people of the loss of life.

But why state that Tony Blair is a Terrorist. We have major problems with IS at the moment, and yet, we are standing still and allowing this to happen.

Are we as a country supposed to stand still, and allow this to continue.

We have Mugabe, who is torturing people in his country, for many years, and we do nothing.

Surely we have to draw the line at something.

Every time a PM or President makes decision to go to war, to go through the diplomatic route - while innocent people are killed , tortured, yet we stand still.

IF Tony Blair has broken ANY law, then he must face the full force of the law. Its like with the Falklands.

Did we need to go to war with Argentina. And have terrible casualties ?

BUT, l might be bad here. BUT, if you join the Armed Forces, then you do, do what your commanding officer.

And not being funny some of the Demonstrators in London, were that young. They probably don't know what the fighting was about.

PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG.
Arthur you are wrong. Yes members of the armed forces know they can end up in a war, however they don't expect to be sent to a war zone based on lies. I was in the forces and had no problem fighting for my country when called to do so. Going to war because Blair had lied to parliament in my eye's is a war crime.

martyh 07-07-2016 13:04
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35848420)
Blair will never admit he's wrong, it would destroy his 'legacy'. There are plenty of MP's , including Cameron that voted for the war, which is probably why they aren't quite going for the jugular.. Thing is what are the plans to put it right? Iraq is still in mess, and this country has a responsibility.

Robin Cook RIP and respect.
One of the things that came out was the complete lack of an exit strategy when the war was over and Saddam deposed ,the lack of which has caused most of the problems with IS and Syria.


I can't decide what's worse ,Blair knowingly taking us into a war based purely on gross exaggeration ,incompetence and even downright lying or the fact that he would do exactly the same again if he was in power.I completely understand that taking a country into war is never an easy decision for a leader of a democracy and to me that is all the more reason to make absolutely sure of the intelligence and the facts on this Blair has failed miserably .Company directors get sent to jail for criminal negligence ,this is the same imo

techguyone 07-07-2016 13:19
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This is just... breathtaking

Quote:
Tony Blair says world is better as a result of Iraq War
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36733979

martyh 07-07-2016 13:27
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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35848602)
The best thing he could possibly do is to just stop speaking,everytime he opens his gob he insults the families of the dead servicemen,not to mention the civilians in Iraq

richard s 07-07-2016 13:31
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All because of 9/11 ... Bush was under pressure to strike back WRONGLY. America is our ally and Blair was Bush's puppet WRONGLY.

Afganistan how many of our armed forces have died there! I question is that/this a worthy cause PROBABLY... How do you change the mind set of a culture, time will tell.

As for the Chilcot enquiry, I think we already know 95% of the findings before publication and was it necessary.

martyh 07-07-2016 13:42
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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35848607)
All because of 9/11 ... Bush was under pressure to strike back WRONGLY. America is our ally and Blair was Bush's puppet WRONGLY.

Afganistan how many of our armed forces have died there! I question is that/this a worthy cause PROBABLY... How do you change the mind set of a culture, time will tell.

As for the Chilcot enquiry, I think we already know 95% of the findings before publication and was it necessary.
Yes because now it is a historical fact that Blair is a lying *war criminal*

not sure if war criminal is the right word but can't think of anything that would be even close to describing what that man is .

Damien 07-07-2016 13:50
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35848612)
Yes because now it is a historical fact that Blair is a lying *war criminal*
Although that were not the conclusions of the report.

papa smurf 07-07-2016 13:51
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i think this sums up his attitude

martyh 07-07-2016 13:59
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848614)
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35848612)
Yes because now it is a historical fact that Blair is a lying *war criminal*
Although that were not the conclusions of the report.
close enough though ,and he could well be subject to criminal proceedings as a direct result of this inquiry

Osem 07-07-2016 14:17
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The thing about people like Bliar is that, eventually they start to believe their own lies and can't accept they're ever wrong. That's what brings about their downfall.

pip08456 07-07-2016 14:36
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35848618)
The thing about people like Bliar is that, eventually they start to believe their own lies and can't accept they're ever wrong. That's what brings about their downfall.
Then the sooner it happens the better. Our armed forces are worth more than the political ambitions of one man.

When they put their lives willingly on the line it is for their (our) country and they are to be applauded and respected for it.

heero_yuy 09-07-2016 12:51
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35848389)
It's great to hear that Bliar takes 'full responsibility' for the mistakes which were made over Iraq. I wonder what form he believes that 'responsibility' should take...
Block, neck, axe.

papa smurf 09-07-2016 13:02
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35848927)
Block, neck, axe.
lift carpet sweep ;)


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