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Germany have won on penalties, we all get distressed and say silly things at such stressful times.

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I agree with dad.

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Well, 60 kph is less than 40 mph so Arthur is right :D

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Jesus wept! :D

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its 20 mph down my street and most of the area around my house no one sticks to it its another example of council madness, no one is aware of a reason for it .

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The main reason is (for residential areas) is that if a pedestrian is hit at 20mph they have a 95% chance of survival, but at 30mph they have a 55% survival rate, and at 40mph there is 5% survival rate.

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Speed limits in urban areas/single carriage ways are there for a reason and are fair enough, its where most accidents occur. I admit on motorways I go up to 80, like most others, but its usually safe to do so and sticking to 70 can be more dangerous ( ie stuck in and around the foreign hgvs that can't see you).

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Inner city speed limits are being dropped here to "reduce pollution" in areas that are monitored. Not in unmonitored areas though. The "safety" excuse is a con.

But I adhere to the speed limit whatever it is.

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Do you think increasing someone's chances of survival from 1 in 20 to 19 in 20 is a con?

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So you reckon that going 20mph over the speed limit is not ,or should not be classed as speeding .
Don't know the stats but watching these traffic cop programs seems to suggest that quite a few deaths or serious injuries occur late at night when drivers who like to put their foot down expect the roads to be empty or they cannot control the vehicle around bends or slippery roads

Go and start searching Arthur cos your brain has obviously gone walkabout

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Ther are 20 mph limits all over Nottingham city.
Complete waste of time as [almost] no one sticks to them.

As to pollution, and safety, a car doing 20mph will be in an area 50% longer than one doing 30mph, so even if the engine is putting out the same fumes in both cases, there will be 50% more pollution in that area (and I always understood that at lower sppeds, engines put out more pollution).

To actually stick to 20mph, you have to spend a lot more time actually watching your speed, so less time watching the road, I dont see how thats safer for anyone.

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Arthur, that is a completely daft thing to say. As an ex Police officer I have seen many results of excessive speed causing bad accidents. Both of the speed examples you quote are way over the speed limits.

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If it was done for safety reasons I would understand. But the sudden imposition of the reduced limit in an area I have never heard of being an accident blackspot (and neither have the local residents who were quizzed about the limit AFTER it was imposed) sounded off.

And then "pollution targets met" in that area... :dozey:

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Indeed. If I caught anyone doing 60 in a 40 I'd be getting ready to send them to court instead of writing out a ticket.

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People should learn to keep out of roads.
learn how to cross them.

even dogs know to keep out the road and walk on the pavement.

20mph is pathetic it's just impossible to drive at 20mph.
a cemetry that says 5mph you easily do 20mph.
a hospital that says 5mph you easily do 20mph.
a road that says 20mph you naturally get out and walk instead!