Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35843271)

From what I can read of that Jobs and foreigners seem to be your only issues?

I personally don't want the UK Government and the Tories having free reign to do what they want! They could easily undo a lot of good things the EU has done for us in regards to environmental issues and rights for workers and a whole host of other things.

I know in Scotland it is being reported unemployment is down to its lowest for a while so foreign workers really can't be taking all the jobs here.

Thats why I am voting remain.

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35843271)

From what I can read of that Jobs and foreigners seem to be your only issues?

I personally don't want the UK Government and the Tories having free reign to do what they want! They could easily undo a lot of good things the EU has done for us in regards to environmental issues and rights for workers and a whole host of other things.

I know in Scotland it is being reported unemployment is down to its lowest for a while so foreign workers really can't be taking all the jobs here.

Thats why I am voting remain.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35843275)

Well said JackJone.

The biggest trouble with this forum, is that there are loads of Cameron and Osborne Lovers. That don't like people having a go.
It made me laugh when Puppet Osborne said that if we leave, the poorer will get poorer. And that he will have to rip to pieces the budgets, to close the gap in the economy.

Not being funny, but what has Cameron and Osborne been doing since they came to power. Been ripping the welfare state to bits, thousands of people made redundant due to cuts to benefits etc etc.

This Tory Government make me sick. And the good thing is that after the election, we will go to the country, for a new PM. As Cameron wont survive.

I want out, so we can take this country back. Close our Borders. And go to the Australian system.

To me IF you don't have a job, You cannot come in

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35843281)

Leaving won't get rid of the Tories and closing our borders is really stupid.

Yeah lets be this little tiny Island all alone with a great big fence around it! No thanks!

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35843275)

Well said JackJone.

The biggest trouble with this forum, is that there are loads of Cameron and Osborne Lovers. That don't like people having a go.
It made me laugh when Puppet Osborne said that if we leave, the poorer will get poorer. And that he will have to rip to pieces the budgets, to close the gap in the economy.

Not being funny, but what has Cameron and Osborne been doing since they came to power. Been ripping the welfare state to bits, thousands of people made redundant due to cuts to benefits etc etc.

This Tory Government make me sick. And the good thing is that after the election, we will go to the country, for a new PM. As Cameron wont survive.

I want out, so we can take this country back. Close our Borders. And go to the Australian system.

To me IF you don't have a job, You cannot come in

Originally Posted by jackjone (Post 35843308)

.. That is why I entitled my posting 'a personal story and why I am voting Leave'! This is the issue that affects me personally. There is simply too much propaganda by the remain team.

Do you really think we would go back to the dark ages if we leave Europe? If workers rights were not respected the government in question would not be re-elected. We would still have unions in place. Apparently it is all doom and gloom if we leave Europe. My parents generation had workers rights and they seemed pretty happy pre-Europe. Everything just isn't going to stop. I am sure if you were in a similar situation, you would feel the same.

You can't get social housing, you can't get your school of choice, you can't get a doctors appointment for nearly 2 weeks, you have to wait long periods for surgery, your elderly parent is ill and has to lie in a hospital corridor, I could go on.

We need British rights. We are an island and our infrastructure can only take so much.

You mention environmental issues, the Kyoto protocol springs to mind, do you really think the UK would not have signed up if we weren't in the EU? You are basically saying that we don't have any weight in the world and we cannot make our own decisions.

Listen to the arguments by Nigel Farage. Every debate I watch encourages me more and more to vote leave. There are many valid points. The remain team have already shown themselves up by instigating personal attacks on the leave team. They continue to do so. mmm lets float down the Thames with a bunch of rich idiots on a large boat!

You mention Scotland's unemployment rates. I am Scottish. There are many more 'economic' migrants who join their already set up communities in England. Look at London, Greater Manchester, Luton, Birmingham, Peterborough etc. Scotland does not have the level of migrants England does so your point isn't really valid. Scotland also has a lower population so take jobs per capita - of course employment rates will be lower. I wish I could return to Scotland as there would be a job available for me to go to and I would receive a decent wage. I worked in another large city a couple of hours from here (and not it wasn't London) and my salary was a minimum of a third higher for the same job in Peterborough. So yes, 'economic' migrants are bringing salaries down. And who pays, we do. You do realise the low wages are subsidised by the tax payer by way of tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. I thought I would reiterate that. You do realise that the spouses of service personnel for instance who are unable to claim benefits aren't detailed in unemployment figures as we are in effect invisible!

You talk of workers rights. Yes, it has its pros but it also has its cons. It is so difficult for companies to get rid of lazy or unsuitable employees. A perfect example would be government staff. My experience with the jobcentre and DWP has been atrocious, I have never had to deal with such a group of arrogant, rude, unhelpful and stupid people in all my life. They just cannot be sacked!! So they have their rights respected, what about mine? Europe doesn't come to my aid when my human rights are neglected.

On top of that political correctness has gone mad. Read the attached, this is what Europe has contributed to...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...rrectness.html

Enjoy watching Britain deteriorate if you vote remain. Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia WILL have free access to the UK. We will be opening the floodgates to terrorism, crime etc. You do know that Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds.. do you really want to open up our borders to a country who fund ISIS. Who will come into our country,what will their intentions be? Will you put your family or next generation at risk? Yes it is your choice. I would take the risk of a little less annual leave for a safer and more prosperous Britain.

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I totally agree with you. I have a personal experience of a family member with a mental illness being driven to the point of no return by the Department of Work and Pensions. He was so stressed and I am sure this contributed to him having a heart attack and passing away at 54 years old!!i I have had to deal with them over the last few months and I am close to having a breakdown myself!! I read all these stories of people being turned down for Employment Support Allowance, disability benefits etc. and the negative impact it has had - depression, suicide and death in some cases. This government needs to go and yes we do need to take Britain back!

Remember and vote in black ink!!;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35843310)

Pah a fence, we need a wall and if he doesn't get the top job I know just the man to build it, he's a foreigner but he's okay, a clown with stupid hair, he'll do well here.

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You're never funny, all the times I've stuck up for you and you come up with this drivel, I'll be voting remain and despise the Tories and their ceaseless drive to make party doners richer by pretty much giving them public assets and here's another shock, we let more people in the country last year from outside the EU than in, Australian system my backside.

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:rofl: That's what I hear those slack jawed yokel rednecks say all the time except it's America they want to take back obviously. I've always wondered whom they're taking it back from and what they'd do with it once they'd got it.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35843310)

Pah a fence, we need a wall and if he doesn't get the top job I know just the man to build it, he's a foreigner but he's okay, a clown with stupid hair, he'll do well here.

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You're never funny, all the times I've stuck up for you and you come up with this drivel, I'll be voting remain and despise the Tories and their ceaseless drive to make party doners richer by pretty much giving them public assets and here's another shock, we let more people in the country last year from outside the EU than in, Australian system my backside.

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:rofl: That's what I hear those slack jawed yokel rednecks say all the time except it's America they want to take back obviously. I've always wondered whom they're taking it back from and what they'd do with it once they'd got it.

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35843304)

A vote to remain is a vote down the drain

Originally Posted by jackjone (Post 35843313)

???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

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???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be no matter who is in power! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

Originally Posted by jackjone (Post 35843308)

.. That is why I entitled my posting 'a personal story and why I am voting Leave'! This is the issue that affects me personally. There is simply too much propaganda by the remain team.

Do you really think we would go back to the dark ages if we leave Europe? If workers rights were not respected the government in question would not be re-elected. We would still have unions in place. Apparently it is all doom and gloom if we leave Europe. My parents generation had workers rights and they seemed pretty happy pre-Europe. Everything just isn't going to stop. I am sure if you were in a similar situation, you would feel the same.

You can't get social housing, you can't get your school of choice, you can't get a doctors appointment for nearly 2 weeks, you have to wait long periods for surgery, your elderly parent is ill and has to lie in a hospital corridor, I could go on.

We need British rights. We are an island and our infrastructure can only take so much.

You mention environmental issues, the Kyoto protocol springs to mind, do you really think the UK would not have signed up if we weren't in the EU? You are basically saying that we don't have any weight in the world and we cannot make our own decisions.

Listen to the arguments by Nigel Farage. Every debate I watch encourages me more and more to vote leave. There are many valid points. The remain team have already shown themselves up by instigating personal attacks on the leave team. They continue to do so. mmm lets float down the Thames with a bunch of rich idiots on a large boat!

You mention Scotland's unemployment rates. I am Scottish. There are many more 'economic' migrants who join their already set up communities in England. Look at London, Greater Manchester, Luton, Birmingham, Peterborough etc. Scotland does not have the level of migrants England does so your point isn't really valid. Scotland also has a lower population so take jobs per capita - of course employment rates will be lower. I wish I could return to Scotland as there would be a job available for me to go to and I would receive a decent wage. I worked in another large city a couple of hours from here (and not it wasn't London) and my salary was a minimum of a third higher for the same job in Peterborough. So yes, 'economic' migrants are bringing salaries down. And who pays, we do. You do realise the low wages are subsidised by the tax payer by way of tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. I thought I would reiterate that. You do realise that the spouses of service personnel for instance who are unable to claim benefits aren't detailed in unemployment figures as we are in effect invisible!

You talk of workers rights. Yes, it has its pros but it also has its cons. It is so difficult for companies to get rid of lazy or unsuitable employees. A perfect example would be government staff. My experience with the jobcentre and DWP has been atrocious, I have never had to deal with such a group of arrogant, rude, unhelpful and stupid people in all my life. They just cannot be sacked!! So they have their rights respected, what about mine? Europe doesn't come to my aid when my human rights are neglected.

On top of that political correctness has gone mad. Read the attached, this is what Europe has contributed to...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...rrectness.html

Enjoy watching Britain deteriorate if you vote remain. Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia WILL have free access to the UK. We will be opening the floodgates to terrorism, crime etc. You do know that Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds.. do you really want to open up our borders to a country who fund ISIS. Who will come into our country,what will their intentions be? Will you put your family or next generation at risk? Yes it is your choice. I would take the risk of a little less annual leave for a safer and more prosperous Britain.

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I totally agree with you. I have had to deal with the DWP over the last few months and I am close to breaking point!! I read all these stories of people being turned down for Employment Support Allowance, disability benefits etc. and the negative impact it has had - depression, suicide and death in some cases. This government needs to go and yes, we do need to take Britain back!

Remember and vote in black ink!!;)

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35843304)

A vote to remain is a vote down the drain

Originally Posted by jackjone (Post 35843259)

I have my political hat on today! For those you you who cannot make your mind up, perhaps a personal experience might help!!

In response to a comment on another posting and Nigel Farage's visit to Peterborough. This is how I feel about the remain campaign and our government. Vote LEAVE

I moved to Peterborough with my military spouse. I am aged over 50, I have never had an issue with gaining employment in any other area I have lived. I have worked within many highly respected institutions and I cannot find a job here. I was entitled to 6 months jobseekers allowance based on my NI contributions and when this ceased, it was simply a case of you are on your own! It was the most disgusting, demoralising process I have ever had to go through, I can understand why people are so frustrated. I am not entitled to any benefits, training/courses, job assistance, council tax relief etc. The reason for this is because my husband earns over the income threshold. I have paid my taxes for 35 years and have never been unemployed until I moved to Peterborough. My husband has to pay for my prescriptions, dental, job hunting expenses, etc. need I go on.

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35843281)

Leaving won't get rid of the Tories and closing our borders is really stupid.

Yeah lets be this little tiny Island all alone with a great big fence around it! No thanks!

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35843329)

No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35843339)

Well said :clap::clap:

The most sensible comment I've read in any of the EU Referendum threads on these pages!

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35843335)

You're not on your own, you have a husband.

You know, for richer for poorer

Benefits should be a last resort safety net, your husband obviously earns enough to cover you while you're job hunting.

Good luck and I hope you find work soon.

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35843361)

Listening to all the drivel that comes out of the remain campaigns mouth and those that support it and you say that a sensible comment is one that supports a dictatorship that scares people so much to get a vote out of them?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35843301)

I'm on Remain's side but Leaving might well be a short term way to remove the Tories for now. I can't see this government going on for 4 more years, they hate each other. Also although we don't vote for the PM I am unconvinced that changing leader just one year in, ahead of a major upheaval of the nation, would be acceptable to the public. Cameron was part of the deal with the electorate.