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What about The Russian fans that just barged across stands to attack England fans? I suppose that was their fault too because trouble just follows them. The women and children just trampled in the Stade Veledrome might feel annoyed. Outside the stadium the sets of fans were disgraceful on both sides. But what has just taken place in the Stade Veledrome was almost like a scene from Hillsborough and England were in no part to blame. In a non corrupt organisation Russia would immediately be banned from the competition. England will be lucky to escape the same if they're not careful. I'm not saying England fans are angels its just people seem to forget this trouble seems to follow Russia about as well. Don't forget their persistent racial abuse throughout the euros over the years.

France have a lot to answer for after that.

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Please ignore http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36506917 as it may not portray England / the UK as the root of all evil.

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Same point I tried to portray earlier, had a text from a mate who pretty much repeated the main facts in that article. His version has a few England fans and Russians getting into a scrap to which French Police came charging in then fired off tear gas to which England fans pelted them with bottles and chairs which Russians followed with and a few to the side still scrapping with each other.

I have no doubt England fans somehow baited those Russians to attack them at the end of the game there either. I wonder if the Guardian figures out a way to implicate them.

English fans having to jump fences and climb seats in a mad rush to escape the charging Russians. Some sort of a bad joke merely a month or so since the final Hillsborough verdict. Talks of terror attacks the Russians lit two flares and a firework.. A firework in a football stadium in a country that's on high alert for terrorism for a major tournament. You couldn't make it up.

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what i did see on the news last night was it takes 8 Russians to beat up 1 English man who is lying on the ground must be great to be that hard :rolleyes:

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You must really hate the country the country you live in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36510550

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What went on in the stadium yesterday certainly seemed to be organised Russian thuggery. But there was trouble for days before and their were certainly England 'fans' involved. They may have been provoked but they don't have to react. There always has been an element of England 'support' who see beer and fighting as part of the entertainment, can't be a coincidence its always England. The organisation of the Russian thugs is a new worrying development, seemed very planned, wonder who was behind it?

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No ones saying that England did nothing though, it's just some biased outlets merely reported England fans clashed with French Police when it was actually a case of pockets of fans from either side clashing with each other only to throw bottles at police when they intervened. England weren't innocent outside the stadium but there was more than one guilty party. The truth is they're not average England fans either, they're the same breed of cretins that were fighting over Man united vs Everton at a service station for the FA Cup match

Also 'Organised' Russians, you're not wrong but it isn't new, see the 5000 yobs that charged Poland in 2008 and caused major clashes.

Charge all the England fans involved if they can be identified and remove their passports when they get home.

Moving away from just England. Charging fans in a packed stadium is an absolutely astonishing event. 2 flares a flare gun and a firework also made it into the Stade Veledrome.
Uefa slapping them with another petty fine after starting something that I'm sure quickly reminded everyone of scenes at Hillsborough. Children and Women being pushed over in a mad rush of fans trying to escape a lynch mob covered with balaclavas.

France have massive questions to answer asap. The utter failure to segregate fans, the fact flares and fireworks made it into a football stadium with significant terror attacks still in their mind has people mind boggled.

I thought London 2012 set the absolute standard for security at stadiums for massive events like this, its clear they've used a different example.

I worked on a 17 man VIP team at the 2012 games, with the Spanish, Honduran, Mexican and Brazilian u21 football teams. It's the procedure LOCOG enforced to get into stadiums that should be the example worldwide. If these standards were used then there's absolutely no way flares and fireworks made it in. If they still do make it in then security employees are failing miserably at their job.

St James' Park, Hampden Park and some I struggle to remember.

Airport style scanner on each turnstile with a queue system for people to put their belongings into a tray. After proceding through the scanner you may be manually scanned down with a wand and it was mandatory you submitted to thorough search of all bags and coats as well as yourself (pat down) by one of three security staff waiting beyond the scanners. Turnstiles opened hours before games and there were minimal complaints.

It wouldnt effectively stop hooligans getting in but it'd stop offensive and prohibited items. They even went as far as attempting to smuggle fake bombs in to find any holes to be exposed and then patched over them. Even after the G4s scabdal, the use of local security went extremely well.

I'd be interested to know what the French policy for entry to the stadium is though. If its similar I'd like to know why employees are failing at their jobs in such a high profile event.

All in all its pretty clear nothing at all has changed in Russian football and it's doubtful it ever will. Fans from all over the world will descend into a World Cup rife with Racism, hooliganism and homophobia. What an epic success by those involved. The Russian FA are just as guilty. They've made no real attempt to remove this stuff from their domestic league either. As normal FIFA and Uefa will likely do nothing significant and the World Cup will go on as normal and be marred with larger scale racism, violence and whatever else follows.

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There are hooligans from many countries on the continent l can assure you Mr K apart from us so one needs to have a rational view of things rather then listen to the media and some other people always saying its just the English who are always trouble.

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At this rate you're going to need to submit to CRB checks to purchase tickets for a football match abroad. At the same rate I can't say that's a bad thing right now. I hate Thatcher but she was vital to ridding the English divisions of this nonsense.

Now and then it flares up and I should know more than most given the Newcastle vs Sunderland scenes a few years ago in which some absolute ******* jabbed a police horse.

If the Russians get anything less than a stadium ban I'd be amazed. I think that will then lead to furtger violence. That doesn't stop them creating another mob the size of the one in Poland 8 years ago to storm the streets.

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Look it does seem Russia caused the problems but when you see how we traveled to France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUex...ature=youtu.be then I think we aren't helping matters.

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I thought you were going to be serious but you posted a pretty much identical comment and link to one I saw on reddit last night. A surprisingly enjoyable comedy.Unfortunately for some outlets, the media seemed to have steered onto what happened after the final whistle. I don't think anyone disagrees that England fans were involved in pre fight brawls. Many witnesses say the same thing. Both sets of fans in pockets scrapping with each other followed by pelting police with bottles. Its plain hooliganism.

What happened in the stadium further creates Questions on how Russia or their fans are still allowed to travel to major tournaments. It also brings back the same unanswered question.. How can we possibly have a world cup in this country?

FIFA was useless then and its just as useless now. Cut the head off the Hydra and another grows back. Removed a few key members and left the rest of those responsible to rebuild. As I also said earlier, those left then had the audacity to ask for their bribe money back. Claims of fixing the damage to FIFA are bogus and even worse so they're failing to fix the damage that's already been done. Qatar and Russia. I feel for Russia as a football team because there's simply no punishment other than A) Removal from the tournament. B) A points deduction or C) A Russian fan stadium ban. These are the only options that reflect what happened.

All in all the true damage of that affects the Russian team but what else can be done? They've completely failed to stamp this stuff out of their domestic league and have never really shown any attempt to do so.

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Just can't see why soccer fans behave like this while rugger fans (generally) don't? You should be able to just attend any match you can get tickets for, sit anywhere and support whoever. If you want to go to a match with a group of friends who support different teams you should be able to sit together. If anyone on the pitch does something special you should be able to applaud it regardless of the team he plays for.

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As for searching on way in that's OK but I can't be wanded as it may affect my pacemaker. I do have a pacemaker card to that affect. This would apply at airports too so will see how things go on trip to Cyprus later this year, first flight since PMI.

But smuggling stuff in seems to be possible. Remember the silly rule about bagpipes at the last rugby world cup but someone still got a set in. Different to getting offensive weapons in though (mind you some would put the pipes in that category).

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150 Russians 'behind' Euro 2016 violence say French prosecutors.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36515213

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While violence at a football match should never be condoned this was a deliberate attack by a group of trained Russian thugs and it wasn't just 150 of them there were groups of them all over the place provoking and starting trouble. England fans were in a lousy position do you stand by watching fellow fans including women and kids get attacked by roaming groups of thugs or do you try and help them. Personally if I see a bunch of thugs attacking women and kids I'm going to wade in and try and stop them as that's the right thing to do of course I wouldn't need to do that if the local police are doing their jobs but they were not and only seemed to get involved once they had greater numbers.

I've only been to one football match in the last five years where Russian's were attending and fortunately I was in an executive box as they were violent at that match as well as a group of them always seems too. Their thugs are being congratulated back in Russia and urged to "keep up the good work" doesn't it make you want to attend the world cup.