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techguyone 27-09-2015 14:03

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
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Originally Posted by JoelTheSuperior (Post 35800469)
but I can imagine how people might be a bit startled if they saw that, especially if they've come from somewhere where they say, may have a bit of a negative association with that clothing.

With that said, you've succeeded in making me angry.

'bit startled' ? It's a hospital.

I'm getting a bit of a negative association with all the hand wringers who are effectively destroying our Country, and even more so with those who seemingly live to be offended at something, everything, nothing but must be kept happy at all costs.

You couldn't make it up, more and more I'm convinced I'm in an alternative WTF Earth, it isn't the one I remember.

Ramrod 27-09-2015 14:43

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
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Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35800472)
Sandhurst military personnel is not allowed in pubs/restaurants in uniform.

Well they should be allowed. :(

dave6x 27-09-2015 15:19

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
So we have a member of our NATIONAL Armed Forces who turned up in uniform to be treated in a NATIONAL Health Service hospital!

Anyone who has a problem with it or is offended by it is welcome to leave and pay for treatment privately!

Osem 27-09-2015 15:32

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
If someone's injured, possibly seriously, whilst wearing their uniform are we really going to have to ask them to get changed into civvies just in case someone might be offended? This really is nonsense.

Carlos Carboni 27-09-2015 16:22

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35800478)
Well they should be allowed. :(

It is actually MoD regulations that service personnel cannot go to licensed premises in uniform.

See for example

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...866A594026.pdf
Quote:

113. Occasions on which Uniform is Not to be Worn.
(1) On leave.
(2) Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except
when specifically approved by the Chain of Command.

Ramrod 27-09-2015 18:36

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35800489)
It is actually MoD regulations that service personnel cannot go to licensed premises in uniform.

See for example

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...866A594026.pdf

Shouldn't be that way

dave6x 27-09-2015 19:00

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
I don't judge anyone on race, creed, colour, religion, etc., however, hypothetically speaking, say I was to be sitting in the same hospital opposite a woman wearing a niqab or a burka and I found that deeply offensive, would the hospital staff ask her to move? I suspect not, and I would probably be accused with being racist!

Taf 27-09-2015 19:13

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35800507)
I don't judge anyone on race, creed, colour, religion, etc., however, hypothetically speaking, say I was to be sitting in the same hospital opposite a woman wearing a niqab or a burka and I found that deeply offensive, would the hospital staff ask her to move? I suspect not, and I would probably be accused with being racist!

Sadly quite true. :(

Osem 27-09-2015 19:41

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Clearly some people feel it's OK to be more sensitive to some feelings than others.

Carlos Carboni 27-09-2015 20:09

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35800507)
I don't judge anyone on race, creed, colour, religion, etc., however, hypothetically speaking, say I was to be sitting in the same hospital opposite a woman wearing a niqab or a burka and I found that deeply offensive, would the hospital staff ask her to move? I suspect not, and I would probably be accused with being racist!

Be more specific: Hijab with uniform or without?

MOD regs state (see above link):

Hijabs.
Muslim females may wear Hijabs of the approved pattern and
colour under their uniform headdress except when operational,
training or health and safety considerations dictate otherwise.
It is worn without cap badge under the hat outdoors and without
hat indoors. The hijab is to be worn in such a way that rank slides are visible at all times.

Racist+ un-patriotic :confused:

Maggy 27-09-2015 20:20

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
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Originally Posted by JoelTheSuperior (Post 35800469)
In fairness the article states that he was wearing a camouflage combat uniform. Now, I think that treating him should take much higher priority over causing a fuss over what he's wearing, but I can imagine how people might be a bit startled if they saw that, especially if they've come from somewhere where they say, may have a bit of a negative association with that clothing.

With that said, I try to ignore these news stories, simply because I get the feeling that they're more or less designed to make people angry above all else.

:tu:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35800501)
Shouldn't be that way

I suspect it's a hangover from the 'troubles' in NI..Off duty servicemen were advised not to wear uniform..

dave6x 27-09-2015 20:25

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35800518)
Be more specific: Hijab with uniform or without?

MOD regs state (see above link):

Hijabs.
Muslim females may wear Hijabs of the approved pattern and
colour under their uniform headdress except when operational,
training or health and safety considerations dictate otherwise.
It is worn without cap badge under the hat outdoors and without
hat indoors. The hijab is to be worn in such a way that rank slides are visible at all times.

Racist+ un-patriotic :confused:

My hypothesis stated a niqab or burka, not a hijab, and my assumption was that it would be worn by a civilian Muslim female and not in a military context. Your reference makes no mention of Muslim headdress other than the hijab.

See Link

Carlos Carboni 27-09-2015 20:38

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35800527)
My hypothesis stated a niqab or burka, not a hijab, and my assumption was that it would be worn by a civilian Muslim female and not in a military context. Your reference makes no mention of Muslim headdress other than the hijab.

See Link


It was a joke :)

Also, I thought hijab and niqab was the same thing --apologies, I did not know the fine differences between burka, hijab, chador and niqa--now I do.

dave6x 27-09-2015 20:45

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35800531)
It was a joke :)

Also, I thought hijab and niqab was the same thing --apologies, I did not know the fine differences between burka, hijab, chador and niqa--now I do.

No problem, although I know some people do feel intimidated when confronted by a person in a niqab or burka.

Hugh 27-09-2015 20:46

Re: RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35800519)
:tu:

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I suspect it's a hangover from the 'troubles' in NI..Off duty servicemen were advised not to wear uniform..

I think it's mainly about "behaviour that may bring the Armed Forces into disrepute".


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