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Seat have VW diesel engines in their cars as well, think it is mainly the 1.6 and 2.0 litre ones.

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I had the mick taken out of me when my car had a crack in the turbo pipe and it kicked out black smoke, now its my turn to laugh.

Vehicle lines involved include the Audi A1, A3, A4, A5, A6 and the TT, Q3 and Q5 models.

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Apparently the "device" was a software feature of the Bosch diesel injection system to aid *internal* dyno/rolling road testing (by stopping the control system from throwing a wobbly when the front wheels are doing 60mph and the rears 0mph). Bosch apparently told VAG it was not for use in regulatory testing.

The big issue is that Bosch supply a hell of a lot of injection control systems to loads of manufacturers. I doubt that this software feature was limited to the VAG applications.

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Dunno. Those two are both owned by VW. As are Seat, another one that owned up to issues.

Looks as though it's across the VW family.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09...issions_tests/

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Considering most VAG cars share a common platform (including engines) I would expect every brand to be affected aside from Bentley and Porsche, due to fewer (if any) diesels.

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Going to be interesting to see which fixit path they use: Either greater emissions or less headline power? Or maybe a bit of both.

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IIRC the VW Group has so far avoided using the eolys additive based systems that other makers (Peugeot/Citroen and Ford) have been using since around 2005. I can see new cars being developed to use these systems. Either that or they will be forced to go for AdBlue, which has been used in HGVs for some time. It all depends on how long the development will take.

The big question is what to do with cars already sold. If the tests have effected CO2 emissions, then there's a taxation question, however if its "just" NOx then I doubt the cars will be recalled.

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VW announce that 1.2m UK vehicles are affected.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34399503

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Given the obvious mis-selling scandal, I would imagine any taxation issues would be managed in the form of a levy paid directly by VW. Trying to increase the VED on consumers who have been misled would be a bit pointless and would inevitably end up in court.

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And how is VW going to compensate for the additional pollution their deception has created I wonder? It'll be interesting to see how the US and EU approach to this differs.

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The big difference is that US NOx emissions targets are much tougher than EU ones (hence the lack of diesels in the US), so its possible that they might squeak through the EU tests.

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Are EU diesel emission regulations less stringent because the French and Germans make so many of them or are diesels so common here because the regulations are less onerous?

Off topic I know but emissions regulations could be used as, effectively, a trade barrier could they not?

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The US ones are tougher because they're trying to limit the import of foreign cars and encourage the buying of American cars.

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Yes that's what I was getting at - a means to protect their own industry. But is the EU's policy deliberately assisting primarily German and French diesel car makers by setting emissions limits lower than they would otherwise be?

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How would we know? Is the US too high or the EU too low? Personally given the EU isn't a stranger to Environmental laws whereas America is less keen I would assume the latter has set them too high. In otherwords I assume the EU is more concerned over the Environment than the American congress.