Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35782807)

Blimey ,pleased I'm not an ex PM called Blair :)

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35782831)

Probably pretty similar to the sort we're hearing from you on the right ;)

Cheers

Grim

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35782848)

Yes its a bit strange the Daily Telegraph's memory seems to conveniently forgotten that but what else can you expect from the Daily Mail's new rival.:)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35783110)

None of them hardly pay for their own trips so it does not really matter whether its a capitalist or Socialist as it ain't going to change whether we want it too or not as many on power abuse their power as much as they can get away with and they ain't going to give that up in a month of Sunday's are they.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35783102)

Really? Right of what?

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I don't recall Major jetting off around the globe feathering his nest and buying up property to quite the same extent the Bliar has been but what do you expect from champagne socialists eh... That's what's upsetting a lot of people. A multi-millionaire so called 'socialist' who claims to be in touch with the ordinary man and care about poverty who can easily afford to pay for his own business trip security but doesn't. You'd expect this sort of thing from dodgy bankers and FIFA officials not a self appointed working class hero. There's a word which sums it up - hypocrisy and it applies here just as much as it did to certain sleazy Tories who, prior to 1997, were preaching morals to the rest of us whilst behaving in the most appalling manner.

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35783127)

But it was the independent watchdog (IPSA) who awarded the pay rise, not MP's awarding it themselves. It puts them in a hard position though. Accept and look greedy, turn down and reject the independent body they put in place to make it "fair".

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35783140)

One ex-MP, no Lords, no professional politicians...

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk...executive.aspx

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35783102)

Really? Right of what?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35783102)

I don't recall Major jetting off around the globe feathering his nest and buying up property to quite the same extent the Bliar has been but what do you expect from champagne socialists eh... That's what's upsetting a lot of people. A multi-millionaire so called 'socialist' who claims to be in touch with the ordinary man and care about poverty who can easily afford to pay for his own business trip security but doesn't. You'd expect this sort of thing from dodgy bankers and FIFA officials not a self appointed working class hero. There's a word which sums it up - hypocrisy and it applies here just as much as it did to certain sleazy Tories who, prior to 1997, were preaching morals to the rest of us whilst behaving in the most appalling manner.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35783145)

You are joking, they've all sat on quangos you don't get any more of a professional politician than that, held high up positions in the civil service attached to government etc etc

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35783154)

Right of the 'Looney Left' you seem so obsessed about (see the quote below).

Grim

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35783154)

Missing or ignoring the point. In 2002 John Major was reportedly costing nearly twice as much as Tony Blair but I suppose that's OK as there's not as much point scoring to be had from John.


Grim

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35783168)

So what,there are only 2 choices ,have IPSA ,not a perfect solution but it is the best we can hope for and things are a lot more transparent now or go back to having MP's voting their own pay rises ,fiddling expenses and generally taking the pee .Also you have to have a wage that attracts people from less well off backgrounds ,it serves no purpose to have a House of Commons full of millionaires