Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35780238)

I never said the same experience. I said they use the same network.

But for the record they use the same frequency bands, the same backhaul networks, and the same network management. Which would be quite clear if you read the links I posted earlier.


Because they calculate coverage differently and because you are looking at completely different types of map to what we're talking about. OFCOM are the only party that has coverage maps for all the networks computed using the criteria. Again, read the link I posted earlier if you want to see coverage maps you can actually make direct comparisons with.

Quit trying to move the goalposts and wiggle out of this.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35780293)

Wittmann's back I see... :D

Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35780059)

My contract is up in a couple of months and I'm gonna keep my phone (Note 3) but looking for a sim only contract, rolling month, with around 500 mins, 500 texts and unlimited data for no more than £20pm.
Found carphone warehouse ID, unlimited on all 3 but it's on 3 and signal in my part of the world is pretty bad on 3.
Any other recommendation's.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35780241)

You said:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35780241)

It's the end user experience that counts. I believe the real world and not OFCOM. Just accept you're wrong :D

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35780293)

Wittmann's back I see... :D

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35780427)

You really have no idea how the MBNL MORAN works do you?

I suggest you go back and re-read my posts again as you've clearly misunderstood the meanings of "speed" "coverage" and "network".


Let's see here. OFCOM's job is to regulate the industry to ensure good end user experience.

Given the choice of believing OFCOM or you...

OFCOM:
- Has technical information on the location and capabilities of every mobile transmitter in the UK
- Regulates how they operate
- Is responsible for ensuring network coverage meets requirements
- Receives and responds to complaints figures for all networks
- Performs scientific testing of all networks' coverage and performance

You:
- Doesn't understand the difference between "network" and "mast"
- Thinks he knows better than OFCOM because he's looked at his phone while driving around town.

Hmm.

You've been proven wrong three times then changed your story three times. Perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself.
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Hah! I hadn't spotted the resemblance but now I see it ;)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35780457)

Let me try and explain my point:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35780457)

3. You said "they'll have the same 3G coverage as 3"

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35780427)

Hah! I hadn't spotted the resemblance but now I see it ;)

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35780474)

You don't seem to have a point. All you seem to be doing is making up irrelevant references to stuff you don't understand to try make it seem your personal experience disproves scientifically conducted nationwide tests. And looking mighty foolish in the process.


And they will. Perhaps I need to qualify every statement I make with "99.9% of the time".


And yet you continued arguing.


No you did not.


At no point does this statement contradict anything I've said.

Perhaps you're still failing to understand. I suppose I need to be 110% clear since you get confused by anything less. 3, EE, and MBNL are not the same thing. Network means different things in different contexts.

Network when referring to 3 is referring to 3 as mobile network operator. Network when referring to the RAN is referring to MBNL, the multiple operator RAN that 3 uses.


Lets put it this way.

1) I said 3 will have the same coverage as EE. I failed to qualify it with "99.9% of the time".

2) You said their coverage differed in your experience.

3) I pointed out they use the same network

4) You asked for proof they use the same network

5) I gave you proof they use the same network

6) You ignore that proof and change your stance to talking about mast sharing and speeds instead

7) I point out they are not mast sharing and 3 has the lowest speeds according to OFCOM

8) You quote unscientific foreign data that shows 3 to be 2nd in an arbitrary, undisclosed measure of performance

9) I link data showing 3 has the lowest speeds according to OFCOM

10) You start saying speed is irrelevant, and you don't believe OFCOM.

11) I say I'd rather believe OFCOM than your personal experience.

12) You start talking about "end user experience" of people you know.

In this time you've banged on about "coverage", then you banged on about speeds instead, then you bang on about backhaul and frequencies, now you're trying to twist the argument into your "observed user experience" which nobody ever cared about in the first place.


Given that you seem intent on clutching on every straw you can find...

Seems that every time I post proven, undeniable facts, you start brandishing "personal experience" about something different while completely and utterly failing to address the matter at hand.

The minute differences come from the fact that 0.1% of Orange's legacy network had not yet been integrated into the MBNL MORAN or shut off at the time those maps were generated. The goal was to have less than 0.05% left by the end of 2014, but around 0.02% of all Orange masts will never be upgraded. There are other factors as well but I'm not going to list all 500 different phenomena that affect network performance every day just to quench your ignorance.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35780481)

It's like deja vu. ;)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35780490)

Your bullying and arrogance is astounding

Maybe other users of this forum that use Three and an EE-based network can comment if they feel that they have 99.9% of the same coverage.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35780503)

Your ignorance and arrogance is astounding. Most people just admit they're wrong when faced with hard facts.

Maybe other users of this forum that understand how mobile networks work can comment if they feel your personal experience outweighs OFCOM's.

P.S. The plural of anecdote is not data.