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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35744184)

the question i have to ask is why not a single disabling shot

The hardest possible shot in the most difficult circumstances especially given the size and bulk of Brown ??

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35744186)

The hardest possible shot in the most difficult circumstances especially given the size and bulk of Brown ??

a large target is not hard to hit -he[wilson] managed it 8 times he could have stopped at one

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35744184)

the question i have to ask is why not a single disabling shot

Real life isn't Hollywood, it can take a LOT of shots to stop someone.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35744184)

the question i have to ask is why not a single disabling shot

Mainly because it's very difficult to do - people have been shot in the arm or leg, and they keep on attacking.

Most weapons training focus on two shots to the main body mass (the chest), which tends to stop most people.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35744156)

Not sure if the looting was in support of the bereaved family - much like the looting in London a couple of years ago wasn't really in support of the family of the person shot by the Met....

I know, I was trying (and clearly failing ;) ) to make that very point.

We hear all the time that all these people are rioting about x, y or z but if they were interested in the plight of the victims and bereaved, the last thing they'd be doing is turning a solemn protest into a theft fest.

We all know that a large proportion of those involved in this sort of thing are the sort of people who'd exploit any suitable set of circumstances to steal stuff. They're ****. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35744190)

a large target is not hard to hit -he[wilson] managed it 8 times he could have stopped at one

Shoot to stop. Real life isn't Hollywood.

Considering the amount of adrenaline coursing through the cop it's not particularly surprising there were multiple shots with some missing.

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He was cleared by a Grand Jury that presided over many witness statements.

The unarmed man in question had just robbed a shop and then got into a physical tussle with the policeman.

Apparently both fighting for control of the gun.

Some 12 were fired during the incident.

Of course the black community were outraged by this. Conveniently ignoring the hundreds of black youths killed by other black youths every month

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35744227)

He was cleared by a Grand Jury that presided over many witness statements.

That's one thing that is worth highlighting. The jury saw a lot of evidence, and heard a lot of witness statements.. They found there was no case to answer.

We have been told NOTHING beyond the fact that there was a young black man who was shot 8 times by a policeman..

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Just because it's on the Internet, doesn't mean it's true....

http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-...-michael-brown

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The facts: Media reports say that Officer Marc Catron of the Kansas City, Mo., Police Department apparently shared an image on his Facebook page of someone he and others thought was Brown. It is not known who originated the item.

The caption: “I’m sure young Michael Brown is innocent and just misunderstood. I’m sure he is a pillar of the Ferguson community.”

Many people who saw various posts believed the photo was of Brown and passed it along via Facebook and Twitter.

The problem is that the photo is not of Brown. The picture actually shows murder suspect Joda Cain, who is accused of using a sledgehammer to kill his great-grandmother in Oregon last year, the Oregonian newspaper reported. The other youth in the photo has been identified as Micus Ward, accused of being Cain’s accomplice.

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I wonder what those with faith in American grand juries for this sort of case think of this?

http://gawker.com/killer-cop-who-cho...406/+tcraggs22

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/12/44.jpg

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Daniel Pantaleo, the Staten Island NYPD officer who killed Eric Garner with a chokehold in July, will not face charges for the killing, a grand jury reportedly decided today. Garner, who was asthmatic, pled with police about his inability to breathe several times during the struggle that led to his death.

The NYPD's own patrol guide explicitly prohibits chokeholds, and the death was ruled a homicide by the New York City medical examiner in August. Pantaleo was the target of two previous civil suits before Garner's death.

Garner, a father of six, was was accused of illegally selling loose cigarettes. NY1, the New York Daily News, and CNN reported the Staten Island grand jury's decision today.

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Background link from that article:

"I Can't Breathe": Asthmatic Father Dies After NYPD Chokehold

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In the video above, Eric Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, can be seen arguing with plainclothes NYPD officers on Staten Island. When the officers attempt to handcuff him, Garner asks them not to touch him, and one puts him in a chokehold. Several other officers pile on, slamming Garner into the ground, and he begins complaining that he can't breathe. Now, Eric Garner is dead.

Police allege they saw Garner selling illegal untaxed cigarettes, but witnesses at the scene say he was stopped because he broke up a fight. Either way, the psychological distress the encounter caused him is evident before the cops even lay their hands on him. "Every time you see me, you try to mess with me," he says to the cops at one point. "This stops today."

The New York Daily News spoke to Ramsey Orta, who shot the video, and another witness:

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"They jumped him and they were choking him. He was foaming at the mouth," Orta told The News. "And that's it, he was done. The cops were saying, 'No, he's OK, he's OK." He wasn't OK."

"They were choking him. He kept saying, 'I can't breathe, I can't breathe! Get off of me, get off of me!' and I didn't hear any more talking after that," said witness Valencia Griffin, 50, of Staten Island. "He died right there."

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35744190)

a large target is not hard to hit -he[wilson] managed it 8 times he could have stopped at one

He didn't really manage it 8 times, as 4 shots hit the guy's right arm.

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Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

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I think we're guilty of judging US cops by our own standards TBH. Call them trigger happy if you like but then then America is home to a great many people who routinely carry and are prepared to use weapons in circumstances which would never (or rarely) happen here. In an environment like that sadly things like this are always going to happen - welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave...

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Interesting video on use of force in some scenarios.

http://ift.tt/1yDL668

Apologies for it being from Fox News. Eye and computer bleach is available on request.

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I just wonder if they would have been white guys would there be the same reactions!