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Russ 29-10-2013 23:36
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35638593)
if they had done that then he would not have been innocent as he would have shown willing to groom and meet and underage person. So irrelevant to this story Russ nice try though
I don't think it's irrelevant at all, SH had never previously shown a willingness to allow people the right to silence. It's a bit rich that he insisted on it for himself.

Qtx 29-10-2013 23:38
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
It didn't help that the police arrested the victim and kept him in overnight, only releasing him the next day which would have been noticed by the neighbours and fuelled the belief even more. You still have to be an evil thug to set fire to someone, even more so to do it to someone unconscious. This isn't just vigilantism, it's about one of two real nasty people victimising someone.

I can see why some go for the vigilante approach though. My sister witnessed a guy fiddling with himself while looking at the kids in a playground and came back to call the police while I went and followed him to an address nearby. He was picked up by the police, my sister gave a statement and said she was happy to go to court, which for some reason was in the middle of london, nowhere near the incident. A few more conversations with the police happened over time and it was let out that he had previous history for the same thing. My sister turned up to the court day only to hear that the coppers who were supposed to go along were on holiday so the case was dismissed. There was no point in all that hassle, should have just smacked him one when I had the chance. Next time....

thenry 29-10-2013 23:41
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only to hear that the coppers who were supposed to go along were on holiday so the case was dismissed
that cant be true surely Qtx

Russ 29-10-2013 23:43
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35638597)
I can see why some go for the vigilante approach though.
I don't think anyone is against it in principle, it's just in practise it's uncontrolled and unrestricted mob justice by poorly-trained, bloody-minded self-appointed 'experts'.

tizmeinnit 29-10-2013 23:43
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35638596)
I don't think it's irrelevant at all, SH had never previously shown a willingness to allow people the right to silence. It's a bit rich that he insisted on it for himself.
Ok so one guy taking photos of youths vandalising plant pots is just the same as showing a willingness to groom underage children and then turn up expecting sex. Yes very similar I do not think. But if you do Russ that is upto you :)

Russ 29-10-2013 23:49
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35638601)
Ok so one guy taking photos of youths vandalising plant pots is just the same as showing a willingness to groom underage children and then turn up expecting sex. Yes very similar I do not think. But if you do Russ that is upto you :)
No idea what you're bipping on about this time, I've not mentioned any of that, let me make it easy for you.

SH never affords any of the guys he goes after the right to silence.

The writer of that article asks SH for a quote, SH declines to comment.

Double standards.

tizmeinnit 29-10-2013 23:51
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35638604)
No idea what you're bipping on about this time, I've not mentioned any of that, let me make it easy for you.

SH never affords any of the guys he goes after the right to silence.

The writer of that article asks SH for a quote, SH declines to comment.

Double standards.
but the cases are totally different there is no relevance between this tragedy and what SH does

can not find a relevant definition of bipping either

thenry 29-10-2013 23:52
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
get some rest tiz

Russ 29-10-2013 23:55
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35638605)
but the cases are totally different there is no relevance between this tragedy and what SH does
Oh dear Lord... :banghead:

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35638606)
get some rest tiz
...please....

tizmeinnit 29-10-2013 23:59
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35638606)
get some rest tiz
why? are you saying the point I am making is inaccurate? do you find this case the same ?

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35638607)
Oh dear Lord... :banghead:

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...please....
he wont help you Russ

thenry 30-10-2013 00:16
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35638609)
why? are you saying the point I am making is inaccurate? do you find this case the same ?
Russ from what I gather is talking of caution. This guy was a vulnerable loner, in the OP. That against a bunch a chavs ? good luck. Who is this guy who took it upon himself to take charge not giving the guy a chance to clear himself ? Do you think the guy was just knocked out and set alight or was he highly likely to had been taunted before so? He wasn't given a right to a voice infront of those who were ready to 'deal with him' just like those put on camera were not given a voice. This is ofcourse is me speaking after reading the links in this thread.

tizmeinnit 30-10-2013 00:26
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35638622)
Russ from what I gather is talking of caution. This guy was a vulnerable loner, in the OP. That against a bunch a chavs ? good luck. Who is this guy who took it upon himself to take charge not giving the guy a chance to clear himself ? Do you think the guy was just knocked out and set alight or was he highly likely to had been taunted before so? He wasn't given a right to a voice infront of those who were ready to 'deal with him' just like those put on camera were not given a voice. This is ofcourse is me speaking after reading the links in this thread.
Yeah I see all that but Russ bought Stinson Hunter into it I know the article used them as examples but the guy who was murdered had no real evidence against him. Both SH and LGH had video evidence proving their alleged nonces had turned up after attempted grooming so the cases are totally different :)

thenry 30-10-2013 00:29
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but it also says Stinson Hunter acted to quickly on some cases. The majority. I'm not taking anything away from the actual catches, well done to them for that.

Qtx 30-10-2013 00:33
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35638599)
that cant be true surely Qtx
Unfortunately it is. Couldn't believe it myself.

tizmeinnit 30-10-2013 00:35
Re: The other side of vigilantism
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35638597)
It didn't help that the police arrested the victim and kept him in overnight, only releasing him the next day which would have been noticed by the neighbours and fuelled the belief even more. You still have to be an evil thug to set fire to someone, even more so to do it to someone unconscious. This isn't just vigilantism, it's about one of two real nasty people victimising someone.

I can see why some go for the vigilante approach though. My sister witnessed a guy fiddling with himself while looking at the kids in a playground and came back to call the police while I went and followed him to an address nearby. He was picked up by the police, my sister gave a statement and said she was happy to go to court, which for some reason was in the middle of london, nowhere near the incident. A few more conversations with the police happened over time and it was let out that he had previous history for the same thing. My sister turned up to the court day only to hear that the coppers who were supposed to go along were on holiday so the case was dismissed. There was no point in all that hassle, should have just smacked him one when I had the chance. Next time....
that guy deserved a pasting but the paster would be the one ended up inside.


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