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jj20x 02-03-2013 01:14

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35543203)
BT will no doubt have contractual obligations regarding ESPN on Virgin, so there likely won't be any change for a while - contract renegotiation and all that.

Unless the transfer to BT is timed to take place when current contracts have expired.

Kushan 02-03-2013 09:30

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35543318)
Unless the transfer to BT is timed to take place when current contracts have expired.

Possible, but unlikely. It's not like ESPN only has contracts with Virgin, ESPN is available on Sky as well (just sky charges extra) and likely others. It would be a massive coincidence if all of their contracts expired at the same time, especially as these kinds of contracts tend to last years and years.

jj20x 02-03-2013 16:17

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35543345)
Possible, but unlikely. It's not like ESPN only has contracts with Virgin, ESPN is available on Sky as well (just sky charges extra) and likely others. It would be a massive coincidence if all of their contracts expired at the same time, especially as these kinds of contracts tend to last years and years.

If I remember correctly the channels went live on VM and Sky in early August 2009. BT are due to take over at the end of July 2013, possibly timed to match the expiry of an existing 4 year contract?

The ESPN channels on other platforms are an add-on package and BT Sports channels will also be an add-on package, so the old ESPN add-on packages will, most likely, be rolled out into the new BT Sports ones. Only VM includes the ESPN channels in one of the basic packages, so the situation for VM isn't really comparable.

Kushan 02-03-2013 17:19

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35543429)
If I remember correctly the channels went live on VM and Sky in early August 2009. BT are due to take over at the end of July 2013, possibly timed to match the expiry of an existing 4 year contract?

The ESPN channels on other platforms are an add-on package and BT Sports channels will also be an add-on package, so the old ESPN add-on packages will, most likely, be rolled out into the new BT Sports ones. Only VM includes the ESPN channels in one of the basic packages, so the situation for VM isn't really comparable.

It's impossible to know what the details are for each and every provider really, we're just guessing. As far as VM/Sky/etc is concerned though, probably not a lot will change. If they have a contract, those terms will be honoured. If a contract is up for renew, it would have been regardless of the takeover. Just wait and see, I suppose?

jj20x 02-03-2013 18:19

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35543466)
It's impossible to know what the details are for each and every provider really, we're just guessing. As far as VM/Sky/etc is concerned though, probably not a lot will change. If they have a contract, those terms will be honoured. If a contract is up for renew, it would have been regardless of the takeover. Just wait and see, I suppose?

It's impossible to know for sure but we do know that ESPN were already looking to exit from the UK market and sell off any remaining sports rights. It would make sense for them to plan that exit for when existing contracts are ending. Otherwise they would have to suffer the burden of early exit penalties. That was the logic behind my thinking.

In any event, ESPN has already announced that ESPN Classic is to close across Europe before BT takes over. It has also been stated that BT will only operate 1 channel with the ESPN brand, other rights purchased will be used on BT Sports branded channels. That only leaves a single channel, presumably ESPN America, covered by existing contractual agreements with VM. When asked, BT have stated that channel will not be sold separately but only as a part of the BT Sports suite.

As you suggest, we can only wait and see, but based on enforcing existing contracts, the best we could hope for would probably be an extended period for ESPN America in the XL package.

Horizon 03-03-2013 18:03

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
The flip side to all this is BT may not allow its channels on Sky or VM at all. It may wish to make them exclusive to their own pay tv platform, cue vm/sky complaints to ofcom, court action, competition commission investigation etc

Gavin78 03-03-2013 21:40

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
I can see VM tv going down the pan and the company only operating a BB and phone service

jj20x 03-03-2013 22:07

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35543944)
The flip side to all this is BT may not allow its channels on Sky or VM at all. It may wish to make them exclusive to their own pay tv platform, cue vm/sky complaints to ofcom, court action, competition commission investigation etc

Highly unlikely considering the fact that BT has already added sports content on satellite. Although Sky is an open platform, it remains to be seen what the exact relationship between Sky and BT will be. Maybe BT will simply have a contract with Sky for the EPG slots and sell the channels direct to the public rather than through Sky.

denphone 04-03-2013 07:15

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35544034)
I can see VM tv going down the pan and the company only operating a BB and phone service

A highly unlikely scenario Gavin.

gba93 04-03-2013 11:01

Re: Virgin Media TV XL package devalued after BT buyout of ESPN?
 
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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35544034)
I can see VM tv going down the pan and the company only operating a BB and phone service

Don't think Liberty Global see it that way either


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