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nomadking 20-04-2012 23:19
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The BBC website has various reports during the course of the trial and looking at different newspapers(Guardian, Telegraph, Daily Mail, Independent) there are no extra pieces of info. All you have is the Judge and the CPS referring to the victim as being too drunk to give consent, and that the evidence for that was when she was with MacDonald.

Osem 20-04-2012 23:22
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No doubt more will become apparent in due course.

NIco V 20-04-2012 23:43
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35416997)
And how does this makes a difference?
McDonald got the benefit of doubt, she went with him to the hotel drunk (she couldn't legally consent to sex but....). The implication is Evans took advantage of her drunkenness but McDonald .....

Damien 20-04-2012 23:54
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There must have been other circumstances that allowed them to have different verdicts, if the evidence was the same then wouldn't the judge have directed the jury to return the same verdict for both defendants?

nomadking 21-04-2012 00:01
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The evidence was different. MacDonald would have seen her fall over, stagger etc, whereas Evans wouldn't have.

Derek 21-04-2012 00:02
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Strange but juries often come out with baffling decisions.

Damien 21-04-2012 00:11
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35417087)
Strange but juries often come out with baffling decisions.
Again. If it was the exact same situation wouldn't the Judge have prevented the Jury from reaching differing verdicts?

danielf 21-04-2012 00:13
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35417084)
The evidence was different. MacDonald would have seen her fall over, stagger etc, whereas Evans wouldn't have.
You don't happen to hate women do you?

martyh 21-04-2012 00:16
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The way i see it is that the jury came to the conclusion that she gave consent for MacDonald but not for Evans .In other reports i have read it mentions some other men in the room recorded the attack on their phones so maybe that evidence was crucial in showing that she was incapable of giving consent to Evans and so he was found guilty of rape

nomadking 21-04-2012 00:50
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35417093)
You don't happen to hate women do you?
:confused: I'm criticising the strange differences in the verdicts of the two MEN. If Evans is decided to be guilty then automatically MacDonald also should be. They BOTH took advantage of her. MacDonald planned to, by taking her to the hotel, Evans acted on the spur of the moment after seeing MacDonald. Whatever Evans did or didn't do to her, MacDonald agreed/went along with it.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35417094)
The way i see it is that the jury came to the conclusion that she gave consent for MacDonald but not for Evans .In other reports i have read it mentions some other men in the room recorded the attack on their phones so maybe that evidence was crucial in showing that she was incapable of giving consent to Evans and so he was found guilty of rape
The two other men weren't in the room.
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The court was told the receptionist saw the two men who were waiting outside watching what was happening in the room through the window.
The ability for her to give consent was based mainly on:-
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A hotel receptionist described the woman, who was 19 at the time and worked in a restaurant, as "extremely drunk" and said she was stumbling and slurring and occasionally grabbing hold of Mr McDonald to steady herself.
How does that exclude MacDonald from culpability?

devilincarnate 21-04-2012 00:53
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Well at least he will now find a new way to kick balls about whilst inside:erm:

martyh 21-04-2012 01:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35417104)
:confused: I'm criticising the strange differences in the verdicts of the two MEN. If Evans is decided to be guilty then automatically MacDonald also should be. They BOTH took advantage of her. MacDonald planned to, by taking her to the hotel, Evans acted on the spur of the moment after seeing MacDonald. Whatever Evans did or didn't do to her, MacDonald agreed/went along with it.

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The two other men weren't in the room.
The ability for her to give consent was based mainly on:-
How does that exclude MacDonald from culpability?


At the end of the day we aren't privvy to all the information and the verdicts are down to what can be proven .If it can't be proven that MacDonald raped her then he must be found innocent regardless of how immoral his acts where

nomadking 21-04-2012 02:12
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35417113)
At the end of the day we aren't privvy to all the information and the verdicts are down to what can be proven .If it can't be proven that MacDonald raped her then he must be found innocent regardless of how immoral his acts where
Evans was convicted purely on how drunk she was. MacDonald was more aware of how drunk she was than Evans could have been, unless MacDonald told him. Perhaps the jury were judging it on how they thought she might behave if sober. IE sex with one person, yes, sex with a 2nd person at the same time, no. But the conviction was on the basis of her being drunk, which equally applied with both men.

Maggy 21-04-2012 10:33
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Sad as I am for the young girl's ordeal and not to minimise it I am glad to see I'm not the only person confused by the result.

What surprises me is the lack of comment from the press, court and police about the two differing results.

martyh 21-04-2012 10:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35417167)
Sad as I am for the young girl's ordeal and not to minimise it I am glad to see I'm not the only person confused by the result.

What surprises me is the lack of comment from the press, court and police about the two differing results.
I think there will be ,especially when Evans starts his appeal next week .


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