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timberheadverde 01-04-2012 18:58

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Within 2 weeks of comming to government with this agenda 1. the UK would break out in riots 2. We would be in more debt than Greece is now in only 2 weeks. This is so silly.

martyh 01-04-2012 19:02

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35408142)
True, but that was not my point either :rolleyes:

Then what was your point.companies are started by individuals so they can earn high salaries because they want them and that includes utility companies.They make the product so they are entitled to the money ,if you object then don't buy it you have the choice

Halcyon 01-04-2012 21:12

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35407988)

Education

University fees would be raised to £15,000. Students who don't start a job, part or full time within the first 12 months of leaving university have half their student debt wiped.

So if I finished university, according to you, I could go travelling for a year and be without a job, get back home a year later, and my university debt would be cut in half.
Sounds good to me! :D

Maggy 01-04-2012 21:16

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Osem 01-04-2012 21:19

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35408079)
Your plans are a recipe for spiralling government debt and eventual bankruptcy of the country. Thanks, but no thanks.

It's NEW LABOUR again !!!!!!!!!! :D:D

carlwaring 01-04-2012 21:28

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35408150)
Then what was your point.

That £1m+ salaries should not be offered by companies selling essential utilities. They shouldn't be making enough (any) profits to be able to offer such wages.

[quoteif you object then don't buy it you have the choice[/QUOTE]
I have the choice not to buy electricity, gas or water? Really? I mean, yes, technically, you're right, but seriously? That's your argument?

However, thats why Utility companies should be nationalised.

martyh 01-04-2012 21:38

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35408238)
That £1m+ salaries should not be offered by companies selling essential utilities. They shouldn't be making enough (any) profits to be able to offer such wages.

[quoteif you object then don't buy it you have the choice

I have the choice not to buy electricity, gas or water? Really? I mean, yes, technically, you're right, but seriously? That's your argument?

However, thats why Utility companies should be nationalised.[/QUOTE]

My comment was meant to be taken as seriously as your suggestion of nationalisation ,It has been proven on many ocasions that it does not work ,all it creates is bloated tax drains with the same people you object to running them and earning big salaries with little or no acountability and no incentive to improve the service

carlwaring 02-04-2012 07:58

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35408242)
It has been proven on many ocasions that it does not work ,all it creates is bloated tax drains with the same people you object to running them and earning big salaries with little or no acountability and no incentive to improve the service

Well it worked for years before the 80s. Or perhaps it didn't. I was only a kid in the 70s so wouldn't have a clue!

carlwaring 02-04-2012 08:38

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Fair enough. I sit corrected :)

Osem 02-04-2012 08:41

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35408305)
I wasn't and they didn't.

Whilst some of the salaries of the CEO's of the utility companies are eyewatering, the companies are far more efficient and the product relatively cheaper than it would ever have been if they had been left as state owned money pits.

Yup, things are far from perfect when it comes to the utilities but let's not kid ourselves that they were better in the past and wouldn't have been even further neglected if the state had continued to run them. The reason things got so bad was because successive governments failed to tackle the serious and hugley expensive problems which were stacking up. Add into the equation all the new eco rules/regulations which have since come into force and you can see why the additional burden on the companies (and therefore their customers) is so great.

Sparkle 03-04-2012 16:34

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35407988)
Looking into forming a political party

Don't bother mate.
Before even beginning to think of starting a political party, you need to be sure you have a clear understanding of why the country is in the state it is, and I don't think you do.
Chris has hit the nail on the head somewhat; you need to focus on cutting government spending to compensate for your tax cuts, and exactly how you plan on doing it.

The key isn't simply recognising what the problems are (we can all look at the country and identify things we disagree with), but in coming up with crafty solutions to get around red tape and people who will oppose you because of their own vested interests. Unfortunately there's little honour in politics, and everyone's out for themselves.
To give an example, though I agree with you that immigration should be mostly skills based - you have not outlined at all how you mange to pull this off, even though I think your heart is in the right place. There will be opposition, and that opposition can and will shout just as loud as you can.
"Cave in" Cameron has made this mistake, he's pledged things that should be done, but behind the scenes he's been out done by those with vested interests and he's had to reverse his stance.
Dropping tax on fuel is good too, as I think most of us can agree that the fuel duty is an unfair convenience tax on the motorist. But, where instead will the money come from? Or will you cut spending somewhere? Most likely the money will need to be paid, and everyone should pay their dues, but saying it and somehow pulling it off are two very different things.
£10 Tax on ciggies, forget it - besides just because you you despise smoking doesn't mean I don't despise your vehicle fumes just as much, and so lets not go down that road (no pun intended). Simply upping the tax as some kind of quick-fix will only affect the less well off and will only P-off a lot of people, and quite rightfully so. Any politician who massively increases tax on cigarettes and/or alcohol will not remain in office long, regardless of their justification(s) for the tax.

This country needs revolutionary change, not more of the same old same old.
I also notice you've adopted an American style tuition fees system for higher education. You should remember that in the US, the cost of living is less, taxation is less, and sometimes what works across the pond would be a disaster here.
The truth is, we've already paid the tuition fees in our taxes, but it's been squandered and the next generation has been pretty much sold down the river.
You can't increase higher education up to £15K per year, that would simply be a crime against those who's only transgression is to have been born after 1992.

Furthermore, the banking crisis which has unfolded in the last few years has occurred due to failings in previous governments, and it will undoubtely happen again because the core causes have not been remedied. What changes will you be able to implement, that you'll be willing to implement, and will implement that will prevent a recurrence? Turning this country around will not be as easy as it sounds, and unfortunately it will take more than good old fashioned "good intentions" to achieve.

RizzyKing 03-04-2012 17:12

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I think the world of politics has enough wrong with it without you stepping into the fray sorry but i see a lot of tax cutting but nothing to explain where the lost revenue will come from or what exactly will be cut to enable you to make those tax cuts. Absolute basic of politics if your going to cut something you have to show how you balance it out or just go join the labour party as they forget that one as well :). Sorry i couldn't vote for you or anyone representing you in a million years you seem to have come up with the perfect recipe for the complete collapse of this country.

Oh and personal hatred dictating policy :shocked: did you really need anyone on here to point out the glaring forty foot high problem with that one.

Alan Fry 17-04-2012 09:58

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Firstly, It is good you have some fresh ideas for government, let more go though it bit by bit. On Tax, I agree with you on Income Tax, Tobacco Tax, Fuel Duty and VAT, but I disagree on Alcohol Tax, and the fact there are no new taxes to compensate for those reduced taxes. Lastly, there’s nothing about cracking down on past and present tax evasion and avoidance.

On Education, I disagree that university fees should be raised, in fact they should be abolished, you have also said nothing about investing into schools, colleges and universities, I also disagree about SATS test abolition, but I agree about Teachers allowed to discipline students

On health, you have said nothing on increasing spending into the NHS, but I generally agree with your other ideas

As for other policies, I disagree on you policy on, Child Benefit, Immigration and Foreign and Defence policy, but I agree on your policy on the railways

However, it is not the radical reform I am looking for

gazzae 17-04-2012 10:08

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Gotta love when someone starts a thread like this and then never posts in it again.

Fawkes 17-04-2012 18:28

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35414906)
Gotta love when someone starts a thread like this and then never posts in it again.


Look at the poll, do you blame them.

No amount of spin is going to make that defeat look any less crushing.


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