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Hom3r 01-02-2012 13:21
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Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35373418)
Don't forget Vulcan XH558 (see left) is still in airworthy condition ... just as well we might need it some day (soon)
One Vulcan bomber is nowhere near enough, several where flow which the sole purpose was fuel carrying, it would fly so far in-flight refuel others, leaving enough for them to get back to the Acension islands, leaving the others to carry on.

Victor tanker also helped.

The RAF was ask to draw up a plane to do a bombing run so they wouldn't be left out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

Mr Angry 01-02-2012 16:47
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Originally Posted by Pog66 (Post 35373369)
Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians
Let's not forget who was arming the Argentinians right up until the Falklands conflict. Pick yourself up a book called "The politics of British arms sales since 1964" for some real enlightenment.

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 08:06
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British diplomats accuse Argentina of attempting to isolate Falklands Islands by pressuring Chile to end Port Stanley flights

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/fe...?newsfeed=true

Chris 02-02-2012 08:51
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Some more interesting analysis:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/je...sh-since-1833/

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In short, Mrs Kirchner might be advised gently to desist from the sabre-rattling, and return her attentions to the Argentine economy. If the sabre-rattling comes to nothing, it will eventually make her look impotent. If it comes to something, it will be disastrous.

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 09:06
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The claim by Argentina overFalkland Islands (Along with the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands) is backed by Peru, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Spain China and the rest of Latin America, along with the CIS

On the other hand the British claim is backed by the EU, France, Turkey and the members of the Commonwealth on Nations!

Chris 02-02-2012 09:11
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More importantly, the British claim is backed by the Falkland Islanders themselves, who have a right to self-determination enshrined in UN charter. And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British.

The Argentine claim is based on a highly selective reading of history.

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 09:16
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We also have RAF Mount Pleasant on the Island with Eurofighter and other aircraft

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35373921)
More importantly, the British claim is backed by the Falkland Islanders themselves, who have a right to self-determination enshrined in UN charter. And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British.

The Argentine claim is based on a highly selective reading of history.
I agree, but if there is a war, It might involve the baacking of other South American Nations, The former USSR and China

Spain backs Argentina over this because they also claim Gibraltar as well

Mr Angry 02-02-2012 16:23
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35373921)
More importantly, the British claim is backed by the Falkland Islanders themselves, who have a right to self-determination enshrined in UN charter. And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British.
Nobody is denying them their right to remain British. They (the Argentinians) are questioning British "ownership" / "occupation" of the islands - that is an entirely different matter alltogether

Damien 02-02-2012 16:26
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35374240)
Nobody is denying them their right to remain British. They (the Argentinians) are questioning British "ownership" / "occupation" of the islands - that is an entirely different matter alltogether
They don't have a case for that either. The British are not occupying anything, it's British land, with British people who wish to remain British. The Argentinians are just rising tensions over land they have no moral or legal right to own.

Mr Angry 02-02-2012 16:43
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35374244)
They don't have a case for that either. The British are not occupying anything, it's British land, with British people who wish to remain British. The Argentinians are just rising tensions over land they have no moral or legal right to own.
In your opinion they "don't have a case for that either". I don't care either way Damien, I was merely pointing out that the chosen nationality of the islanders is not contested.

Chris 02-02-2012 17:00
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35374255)
In your opinion they "don't have a case for that either". I don't care either way Damien, I was merely pointing out that the chosen nationality of the islanders is not contested.
"self determination" is not limited to choosing your nationality. It also includes notions of governance. The Falkland Islanders choose to have HMG govern them, albeit from afar and largely hands-off.

jamiefrost 02-02-2012 17:22
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Originally Posted by Pog66 (Post 35373369)
Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians
If I remover correctly the French helped us by allowing harrier pilots to train against mirage planes. Im not sure but I thought the missiles were already sold. Further sales were stopped.

I think on paper dauntless has the capability to shoot done most in not all south American fighters not just Argentina's

J

Mr Angry 02-02-2012 17:27
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35374278)
"self determination" is not limited to choosing your nationality. It also includes notions of governance. The Falkland Islanders choose to have HMG govern them, albeit from afar and largely hands-off.

Yes Chris I'm aware of that. I was referencing your "And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British." statement which I understood to be a reference to their choice of nationality rather than their choice of governance.

TheDaddy 02-02-2012 17:47
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35374278)
"self determination" is not limited to choosing your nationality. It also includes notions of governance. The Falkland Islanders choose to have HMG govern them, albeit from afar and largely hands-off.
and the Argentinian's are infact questioning the islanders right to self determination as they aren't aborigional...

Hugh 02-02-2012 19:08
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35374323)
and the Argentinian's are infact questioning the islanders right to self determination as they aren't aborigional...
Amusing, coming from anyone in the Americas.....

About 1% of Argentina's Population are Amerindian, with another 8% Mestizo (mixed European / Amerindian) - 91% is of European descent.


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