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CPCUK 17-01-2012 23:49

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
An Update!

Well I've been messing about with Windows 7 TCP settings, Winsock and all sorts. Trying to get the best settings etc but in the end I just reset everything to Windows default.

As I have mentioned I know I get full speed Downloads as I have opened 14 different download files and counted the total MB/s achieved :)

I decided that I was going to try all the UK speedtest.net sites one after the other and have now done so.

The results are truly astounding. Whether all sites are capable of testing 100Mbit connections I dont know but my download speeds rantged from 2Mbit up to 103.3Mbit.

I have found that the Lancaster server is the best to test with (in my case), followed by Kingston Upon Hull. I'm located down the south of the UK but these servers are impressive!.

The Lancaster speedtest gives me consitantly over 100Mbit (104.44Mbit actual) download with 8.59Mbit upload (I get over 9.2Mbit upload on some of the other locations).

So, if your speedtest results arent that great and your SuperHub power levels etc look fine then at least try the other server test locations.


http://www.speedtest.net/result/1713877859.png

Mick Fisher 18-01-2012 13:33

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
Namesco, London usually works for me.

Glad you have sorted things out. :)

qasdfdsaq 18-01-2012 15:25

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
I just speedtested all the speedtest.net servers in the UK, Ireland, France, Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg. While Namesco still gives me a decent download speed on non-VM connections, Lancaster is actually coming out best overall.

CPCUK 18-01-2012 15:40

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
Basically, I havent actually changed anything on my pc to get a good result.

I used to use London test server all the time when on 20mbit and that showed full speed. Then on 50mbit it was fine (showed 50Mbit) until I'm sure speedtest.net changed its site design (may be just me though) and I could only achieve 30Mbit results. It also depended on ping. If ping was over 25ms I got a good score and if under that it would suck! Strangely.

Lancaster I think was the 2nd furthest speedtest.net UK server from me yet gives great results (nice routing maybe?).

This just goes to show the potential for many customers to complain about their VM broadband speeds when it could be perfectly fine. Of course some connections do have issues. What is needed is a 100% reliable speedtest site / server and not some random speed one which can only confuse the poor guy testing his speed.

The only really reliable test is to use multiple downloads to max the advertised connection speeds and see what you actually obtain.

Sephiroth 18-01-2012 18:59

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
CPCUK has confirmed what I've said in a few places about speedtest.net reliability.

Of late, I've found the London hosts to be unreliable when compared in the same systematic way as CPCUK has described.

I must admit I hadn't alighted on Lancaster, but Hull was always (and still is for me) pants. Until now, my benchmark has been Paris, they've added Massy (also OK) and Lancaster, because of the low ping time, I now trust.

So it can't be Flash. Flash isn't CPU intensive judging by the CPU graphs on my dual-core.

So I agree with CPCUK's conclusion that actual downloads are the acid test. But you have to find a site that can dispense at the full speed.

Chrysalis 18-01-2012 19:13

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
When I am able to get full speed which is 30mbit on my quad core i5 it can use about 20% cpu power.

Assuming its 3.3x that requirement to do the 100mbit test then it needs quite a bit of juice. Given that I expect most people in the uk now browse on portable type devices as well like laptops and ipads.

qasdfdsaq 18-01-2012 20:25

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
My best ever results currently are from Lancaster (as per my sig), and all the Paris ones - in fact all the France ones came out better than most of the UK ones.

Paris gave me 115-138 down and 75-127 up, which in itself is quite variable but I only did two tests. Massy was actually better - 210 down, 226 up. There seem to be two "classes" of speedtest servers - dunno if it's related to them using different IP settings (e.g. large windows), but they either give me ~20-40mbps upload results or 150+ with nothing in-between.

In fact, on some platforms (Win7x64) running the same test to the same server in IE could give me 200mbps upload but in Firefox only 40mbps, yet the same downstream result. Odd!

In case anyone's interested I decided to speedtest all* of speedtest.net's servers.

Spoiler: 


*By "all" I don't actually mean all. I'm adopting VM's fairly loose interpretation of "all", "everyone" and "unlimited". I actually just did the UK, Ireland, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Luxembourg.

The results are below. They should really be taken as an sorted list, rather than absolute quality ratings.

I only did one test on most of them, under one condition at one time. Conditions may not reflect any particular situation on the VM network It gives us an idea of the relative speed capabilities of each server. The "Yes/No" columns are based solely on my opinion of their suitability for testing each tier.

Code:

Group 1 - Superfast uploads - Great if you have a symmetric line, fibre, etc.
Apart from a few with consistency issues, they're all good for 100mb+

Server      Country  Download Upload  Ping 20/30mb 50/60mb  100/120mb 

Lancaster      UK      520.7  278.9    5  Yes      Yes        Yes
Luxembourg      LU      304.8  226.9  18  Yes      Yes
Massy          FR      297.2  225.4  21  Yes      Yes        Yes
Manchester      UK      246.2  158.8  11  Yes      Yes        Yes
Contern        LU      235.4  211.0  19  Yes      Yes        Yes
Naaldwijk      NL      220.6  161.0  25  Yes      Yes        Yes
Malmo          DK      207.8  149.1  34  Yes      Yes        Yes
Merzig          LU      196.8  157.2  31  Yes      Yes        Yes
Steinsel        LU      196.7  228.2  19  Yes      Yes        Yes
Mechelen        BE      192.9  182.6  27  Yes      Yes        Yes
Alkmaar        NL      184.9  160.5  26  Yes      Yes        Yes
Clichy          FR      183.4  190.1  19  Yes      Yes        Yes
Eindhoven      NL      167.7  170.8  28  Yes      Yes        Yes
Bonneville      FR      163.5  160.2  30  Yes      Yes        Yes
Aubervilliers  FR      158.9  211.6  21  Yes      Yes        Yes
Paris          FR      115.3  127.5  22  Yes      Yes
Lyon            FR      106.3  175.5  30  Yes      Yes
Dronten        NL      89.5  194.5  19  Yes
Copenhagen      DK      66.5  154.9  36  Yes

Group 2 - Standard uploads. Fine for cable.
I'd be careful if you have 10mbps+ UL Infinity or other FTTx

Server      Country  Download Upload  Ping 20/30mb 50/60mb  100/120mb 

Cappelle Ij    NL      364.5  36.4  21  Yes      Yes        Yes
Maidstone      UK      277.8  57.6  11  Yes      Yes        Yes
Kingston UH    UK      262.0  36.9  20  Yes      Yes        Yes
Rotterdam Qweb  NL      248.5  51.5  20  Yes      Yes        Yes
Capelle        NL      243.2  51.5  31  Yes      Yes        Yes
Roubaix        FR      205.7  46.2  15  Yes      Yes
Randers        DK      188.3  54.3  39  Yes      Yes        Yes
Bournemouth    UK      167.4  26.2  13  Yes      Yes        Yes
Veendam        NL      167.2  16.6  22  Yes      Yes
London          UK      138.0  36.7  11  Yes      Yes        Yes
Dublin Eircom  IE      137.7  16.6  30  Yes      Yes
Ashford        UK      128.3  42.3  12  Yes      Yes
Sittingbourne  UK      123.0  51.2  12  Yes      Yes
Dublin Vodafone IE      98.5  16.5  26  Yes      Yes
Amsterdam      NL      96.5  30.9  23  Yes      Yes
Liverpool      UK      94.9  27.4  25  Yes      Yes
Gloucester      UK      94.9  27.1  25  Yes      Yes
Dublin Digiweb  IE      94.8  26.2  25  Yes      Yes
Newbury        UK      94.4  20.0  19  Yes      Yes
Norwich        UK      87.1  26.7  21  Yes      Yes
Limerick        IE      83.5  22.1  26  Yes      Yes
Galway          IE      81.4  30.2  23  Yes
Leeds          UK      80.7  14.5  21  Yes
Skipton        UK      64.9  20.2  25  Yes
Birmingham      UK      64.4  30.0  21  Yes
Coventry        UK      63.9  72.7  11  Yes
Rotterdam Luna  NL      63.0  32.7  25  Yes
Guernsey        UK      58.7  18.2  25  Yes
Brussels        BE      57.3  61.8  22  Yes
Utrecht        NL      55.2  25.2  36  Yes
Aberdeen        UK      54.6  11.8  33  Yes 

Group 3 - Epic fail servers. Crap at just about everything.
Probably best avoided for anything until they'e fixed.

Server      Country  Download Upload  Ping 20/30mb 50/60mb  100/120mb 

Canterbury      UK      46.3  12.9  14  FAIL      FAIL      FAIL
Dundalk        IE      36.5    8.5  25  FAIL      FAIL      FAIL
Arnhem          NL      33.0  57.7  25  FAIL      FAIL      FAIL
Derry          NI      28.8  23.6  25  FAIL      FAIL      FAIL

Some day I might get round to doing automated tests (e.g. 10+ per server) and working out some standard deviations to estimate stability. But not till I get my own connection stable.


---------- Post added at 21:25 ---------- Previous post was at 20:19 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35365169)
When I am able to get full speed which is 30mbit on my quad core i5 it can use about 20% cpu power.

Curious. I hit about 40% on my dual-core i7 (laptop) but only at 300mbps+. Given that an older 3Ghz Core 2 Duo has no issues exceeding 500mbps+ on Speedtest.net, I wouldn't say CPU is an issue.

Sephiroth 18-01-2012 20:37

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35365169)
When I am able to get full speed which is 30mbit on my quad core i5 it can use about 20% cpu power.

Assuming its 3.3x that requirement to do the 100mbit test then it needs quite a bit of juice. Given that I expect most people in the uk now browse on portable type devices as well like laptops and ipads.

I don't see why 100 meg should use 3x CPU of 30 meg.

Anyway, I was addressing the point made that Flash uses a lot of CPU power. I didn't think so on current machines.

Chrysalis 19-01-2012 13:32

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
seph thoughts on these figures.

30mbit ftp 0.9 %cpu usage
http 1.4% cpu usage
flash 19.6% cpu usage O_o

pingtest.net cpu usage 4.6% O-o for pings :LOL:

incidently on my sisters laptop when I tested speedtest here a while back it couldnt max out the speed as the cpu pegged to 100% during the test. On my laptop it hits 60% or so.

Sephiroth 19-01-2012 13:52

Re: Q regarding channel ID, power and speeds
 
Simples. 19.6% (or indeed 40%) is not a lot of CPU power. In any case, peops doing speed tests are hardly likely to be doing anything else on their PC for fear of affecting the test.


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