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martyh 10-05-2010 17:33
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That is no excuse to go round beating up anyone they want. Events at places like Abu Ghraib and the death of Baha Mousa shows that we cannot tolerate this behaviour from anyone, for any reason.

I don't really believe that even you would advocate summary executions for any so-called suspected terrorist.
no i don't advocate summary executions ,just shoot the buggers in a time of war


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The report does not say he was digging up the road, it says:

yes it does

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The court martial, held earlier this month, heard that the two men assaulted Mohammed Ekhlas in March 2009 after he was arrested on suspicion of trying to plant an improvised explosive device (IED).

remember they were held on suspicion because they had not been to court ,they could have had the bomb in their hands and it would have been suspicion untill they had been to court ,it doesn't lessen their guilt any ,and i would take the word of seargent leader over a taliban bomber any day

Flyboy 10-05-2010 17:35
Re: How not to treat a soldier
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35018324)
no i don't advocate summary executions ,just shoot the buggers in a time of war





yes it does




remember they were held on suspicion because they had not been to court ,they could have had the bomb in their hands and it would have been suspicion untill they had been to court ,it doesn't lessen their guilt any ,and i would take the word of seargent leader over a taliban bomber any day

Have they been charged?

Neil22 10-05-2010 17:37
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35018228)
An exerpt from the BBC article:



Sounds like there might be more to this story than just a glancing blow from a wellington boot.

So what??? If he deserved a shoeing whats the problem?? The Taliban aren't a shining example of 2nd chances are they?

Sirius 10-05-2010 17:38
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From the report in the hail as you so politly put it (i assume from that you would not accept what i am about to post)

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A patrol gave chase and two suspects, one of them Ekhlas, were arrested. He put up a fierce struggle, during which he received facial injuries. The other man was shot dead while escaping.

Five hours later, Ekhlas, in plastic handcuffs, was being held a mile away at Forward Operating Base Jackson, where Sgt Leader and Capt Wheelhouse were based, and the prisoner was put in the custody of their troop, to be held in a tent.

There, Royal Military Police Lance-Corporal Ellen Chun ensured he had food and took photos of his injuries. At some point, the cuffs were removed to allow Ekhlas to pray.

Sgt Leader said he and Capt Wheelhouse went to the tent to check on the guard duty, but upon opening the tent could see no guards, yet found the prisoner, uncuffed and standing up.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0nXrWjBnt
Flyboy at this point i am putting you on ignore as i am not willing to read what will be a retort that will support the action taken on this soldier. That's your way.

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A patrol gave chase and two suspects, one of them Ekhlas, were arrested. He put up a fierce struggle, during which he received facial injuries. The other man was shot dead while escaping.
They should have shot them both then this would not have happened

martyh 10-05-2010 17:41
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35018328)
Have they been charged?

i have no idea and i don't realy care, probably not

Flyboy 10-05-2010 17:48
Re: How not to treat a soldier
 
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Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35018334)
So what??? If he deserved a shoeing whats the problem?? The Taliban aren't a shining example of 2nd chances are they?
As far as I am aware, the due legal process for such things includes a trial and subsequent punishment. From what I can tell, this person has never been charged with any crime, unless you have any information relating to any charges brought against this person. Since when has it been the remit of soldiers to act as judges, juries and executioners?

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35018340)
i have no idea and i don't realy care, probably not
Does that not concern you?

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35018336)
From the report in the hail as you so politly put it (i assume from that you would not accept what i am about to post)



Flyboy at this point i am putting you on ignore as i am not willing to read what will be a retort that will support the action taken on this soldier. That's your way.



They should have shot them both then this would not have happened
Yet still no evidence of any charges brought.

Sirius 10-05-2010 17:48
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Thankfully there are plenty of people out there that do support this soldier
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Under the title Justice For Royal Marine Commando Mark Leader, 42,550 supporters, many of them servicemen and women, have been signing up to the campaign at the rate of one every 12 seconds.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0nXujqz3p
The group is still there go to groups on facebook and type mark leader in search and you should find it.

martyh 10-05-2010 17:55
Re: How not to treat a soldier
 
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35018343)
As far as I am aware, the due legal process for such things includes a trial and subsequent punishment. From what I can tell, this person has never been charged with any crime, unless you have any information relating to any charges brought against this person. Since when has it been the remit of soldiers to act as judges, juries and executioners?

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Does that not concern you?

do you honestly believe that taliban bombers are worried or concerned about "due legal process" when they are planting I.E.D's and trying blow our soldiers up
it's time our leaders realised that these **** bags don't respect law they don't want our laws and they will never accept them so why should we use them ...shoot the buggers before any more soldiers die, and if they won't allow them to do that then we should pull out

maybe we could use "due process" to sue the taliban for the injuries to our soldiers :rolleyes:

Sirius 10-05-2010 18:03
Re: How not to treat a soldier
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35018353)
do you honestly believe that taliban bombers are worried or concerned about "due legal process" when they are planting I.E.D's and trying blow our soldiers up
it's time our leaders realised that these **** bags don't respect law they don't want our laws and they will never accept them so why should we use them ...shoot the buggers before any more soldiers die, and if they won't allow them to do that then we should pull out

maybe we could use "due process" to sue the taliban for the injuries to our soldiers :rolleyes:
That would not fit in with some peoples views.

martyh 10-05-2010 18:04
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i've signed the petition with no hesitation whatsoever

Sirius 10-05-2010 18:06
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35018358)
i've signed the petition with no hesitation whatsoever
:tu:

Flyboy 10-05-2010 18:06
Re: How not to treat a soldier
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35018353)
do you honestly believe that taliban bombers are worried or concerned about "due legal process" when they are planting I.E.D's and trying blow our soldiers up

it's time our leaders realised that these **** bags don't respect law they don't want our laws and they will never accept them so why should we use them ...shoot the buggers before any more soldiers die, and if they won't allow them to do that then we should pull out

maybe we could use "due process" to sue the taliban for the injuries to our soldiers :rolleyes:
Again, since when is that an excuse to beat up prisoners? If this happened on the streets of London and it was the Met who were dolling out summary punishment to suspected criminals, how would you be posting then?

martyh 10-05-2010 18:19
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35018361)
Again, since when is that an excuse to beat up prisoners? If this happened on the streets of London and it was the Met who were dolling out summary punishment to suspected criminals, how would you be posting then?
are you deliberatley winding us up ?

this was not on the streets of london this was in a active war zone where Afghans were caught red handed digging holes for ied's to blow our soldiers up the comparison is just plain stupid

or do you think they digging holes for tatties and carrots :rolleyes:

Flyboy 10-05-2010 18:22
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I have no idea, but then neither do you.

martyh 10-05-2010 18:24
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35018381)
I have no idea, but then neither do you.
(shakes head in disgust )


(walks away and puts Flyboy on ignore)


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