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martyh 12-02-2010 16:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34962668)
The children voted for Marcus to be slaughtered, still I doubt that stopped the internet witch hunt that demanded this teacher should not only be sacked but never teach again, we are so lucky to have so many teachers in this country after all...

yep that was my first thought ,this country is trying to get good teachers who are prepared to stay in the job ,the more i read about this the more disgusted i am

Hugh 12-02-2010 16:15
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34962727)
This has much to do with the treatment of children's feelings as it does with the wishes of parents. The majority of parents didn't want this to happen and neither did the children, but the head teacher decided to ignore this and go ahead and slaughter the animal. It has been his decision to resign and it is the parents privilege to disagree with how the school is managed.

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He did not "lose" his job; he resigned.
Erm - from the link in the OP
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the decision to slaughter Marcus had the support of the school council, staff, the governing body and most parents at the school.

It was also said that pupils voted in favour of selling the meat to raise money to buy more animals for the 250-pupil village school.
btw, "he" is a "she" - Andrea Charman.

btw, CF'ers may like to examine the wording of the petition against the lamb's fate - linky
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The following areas need to be addressed due to Andrea Charman's disgraceful conduct:
1/. That animals are not property, that they are not food sources, that they are not placed on this Earth for the bidding of human kind.
2/. The meat industry is not a fluffy cuddly business where animals are hand reared by loving children. Animals are abused, fed unnatural diets, reared on a cocktail of antibiotics and drugs just to keep them standing - that is the reality of the meat business.
3/. That all the other animals which are being housed in the school grounds are guaranteed not to be sent to slaughter. If this guarantee is not made, these animals should then be removed and sent to a sanctuary.
4/. Marcus was hand reared by loving children who are distraught that he has now been slaughtered. They may well require counselling they have been so badly affected due to their love of Marcus.
5/. There is a known and accepted link between animal abuse and human abuse. By teaching children at such a young age that it is ok to kill animals, this may well lead to more disturbing and abusive behaviour in the future.
6/. Lydd Primary School governance. Andrea Charman directly ignored all pleas from parents, celebrities and animal sanctuaries to rescue Marcus from slaughter - this is disgraceful conduct by a headmistress.

Due to all of these reasons and many more, we are petitioning for the removal of Andrea Charman from her post as headmistress of Lydd Primary school in order to safeguard the mental well-being of these Primary School students and to protect any further animals from death at this woman's hands.

Yours,
the Undersigned.
V. emotive and imflammatory, imho.

Flyboy 12-02-2010 16:16
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Duly noted and adjusted.

Kymmy 12-02-2010 16:19
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OK, who's stupid idea was it to name the lamb? If you're buying animals for slaughter then naming it is the last thing you want anyone to do as you're putting a personality on the animal

:doh:


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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34962470)
a couple of years ago when my son was 9 or 10 he asked me how to make bacon and didn't know crisps and potatoes were the same thing
You should check on the side of some crisp packets, some have are not even made from potato :(

martyh 12-02-2010 16:19
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34962727)
This has much to do with the treatment of children's feelings as it does with the wishes of parents. It appears that of the many of parents didn't want this to happen and neither did many of the children, but the head teacher decided to ignore this and go ahead and slaughter the animal. It has been her decision to resign and it is the parents privilege to disagree with how the school is managed.

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She did not "lose" her job; she resigned.

nice to see you're reading links again :rolleyes:

Angua 12-02-2010 16:20
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34962727)
This has much to do with the treatment of children's feelings as it does with the wishes of parents. The majority of parents didn't want this to happen and neither did the children, but the head teacher decided to ignore this and go ahead and slaughter the animal. It has been her decision to resign and it is the parents privilege to disagree with how the school is managed.

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She did not "lose" her job; she resigned.
According to the news report, the Head Teacher had the backing of the school governors, the school council, the majority of the parents. Even the pupils themselves voted to sell the meat to raise money for more animals. Busybodies sticking their noses in have cost this teacher her job and children learning the reality of eating meat.

She was driven to resign by these busybodies which is tantamount to losing her job.

martyh 12-02-2010 16:21
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34962744)
OK, who's stupid idea was it to name the lamb? If you're buying animals for slaughter then naming it is the last thing you want anyone to do as you're putting a personality on the animal

:doh:


that was a mistake imo




You should check on the side of some crisp packets, some have are not even made from potato :(

that's a tad worrying :erm:

Hugh 12-02-2010 16:24
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34962739)
Duly noted and adjusted.
However, you didn't adjust your comment that it was against the wishes of many of the children, even though the pupil-run school council voted 13 to 1 in favour of the action.

martyh 12-02-2010 16:25
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 34962746)
According to the news report, the Head Teacher had the backing of the school governors, the school council, the majority of the parents. Even the pupils themselves voted to sell the meat to raise money for more animals. Busybodies sticking their noses in have cost this teacher her job and children learning the reality of eating meat.

She was driven to resign by these busybodies which is tantamount to losing her job.

agreed :tu: setting up a face book campaign by people who most likely had absolutely nothing to do with that community was disgusting

any one know if there is any way of posting on that facebook thingy my views of these people

Flyboy 12-02-2010 18:04
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34962750)
However, you didn't adjust your comment that it was against the wishes of many of the children, even though the pupil-run school council voted 13 to 1 in favour of the action.
I very much doubt they actually voted for the animal to be killed. I don't think children as young as seven would have understood the implications of such a choice. Fourteen children from a school of hundreds is not a very fair representation for such options. The children did not make this decision, thirteen children out of the whole school made it. The "school council" vote the way they are told to by those who really make the decisions. They are made up of the children who are the most popular and not those who will represent the needs and feelings of the student body (this is sounding very familiar). If you had a seven year old and told them that the animal they had cared for all year was about to die and made into sausages for them to eat and then asked them if it was okay for that to happen, what do you think they would say?

I'd say this woman has succeeded in turning many of these childen into vegetarians; so not a failure all round then.

martyh 12-02-2010 18:10
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34962814)
I very much doubt they actually voted for the animal to be killed. I don't think children as young as seven would have understood the implications of such a choice. Fourteen children from a school of hundreds is not a very fair representation for such options. The children did not make this decision, thirteen children out of the whole school made it. The "school council" vote the way they are told to by those who really make the decisions. They are made up of the children who are the most popular and not those who will represent the needs and feelings of the student body (this is sounding very familiar). If you had a seven year old and told them that the animal they had cared for all year was about to die and made into sausages for them to eat and then asked them if it was okay for that to happen, what do you think they would say?

I'd say this woman has succeeded in turning many of these childen into vegetarians; so not a failure all round then.

nevertheless the fact remains that the children were well aware of why they were rearing a sheep ,they voted on it and most of the parents agreed with it

and above all it was nothing to do with most people who objected nothing wrong in showing children of whatever age where the food comes from ,it's called ..education

Jules 12-02-2010 18:26
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I know at that age the sheep being slaughtered would have broken my heart, where as if I had been older I would still have been heart broken but would have been able to deal with it better.
I know children raised on farms etc know all about this from a young age and except it.

Should this lady have been forced out of her job for it though...................nope I think not

Flyboy 12-02-2010 18:26
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34962818)
nevertheless the fact remains that the children were well aware of why they were rearing a sheep ,they voted on it and most of the parents agreed with it
If you really believe that, you are more naive than I thought.

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and above all it was nothing to do with most people who objected nothing wrong in showing children of whatever age where the food comes from ,it's called ..education
It has everything to do with what most people object to. The school has a responsibility to the community of parents, to ensure that their children's welfare is observed with whatever decision they make. They also have a responsibility to adhere to the wishes of those parents, when it comes to subjects that affect their emotions and feelings. They are the ones whose childen are affected by what the school do. Yes there is nothing wrong with showing children where their food comes from, but there was no need to slaughter their friend to do it.

martyh 12-02-2010 19:06
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Flyboy , i am commenting on the facts as presented not the ones i choose to believe

here's some comments from parents of children who attend the school these are the facts i will comment on not the ones you think exist



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wayne, on 11 September 2009 16:22, said... I have 2 daughters that go to Lydd Primary and they have been aware, along with all the other children, that they would raise the lamb and then send it to market / slaughter in September. The decision for this was made in June. It is only a small minority of the parents and children at the school that oppose.


Steve, on 12 September 2009 08:03, said... My son goes to Lydd and although we new about it he's still upset over it. The decision was made in the right way with everyone voting last term so while I disagree I think the school has done the right thing

Dai 12-02-2010 19:41
Re: Headteacher Quits After Pet Lamb Slaughtered
 
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34962814)
I'd say this woman has succeeded in turning many of these childen into vegetarians; so not a failure all round then.
An interesting insight into your own personal bias then.

Walt Disney has a lot to answer for. Turning animals into cuddly talking cartoons.

Everything in the world is food for something else. That's how it works.


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