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martyh

07-12-2009 11:32

Re: Lesbians raped "to correct them"

any body else think this very hypocritical ,it seems to me that a section of the society is singling out another section of society simply for being what they are .You would think that the last place this would happen is in SA

Kymmy

07-12-2009 11:33

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922506)

So the views of their parents and even the rest of the adult population don't have any effect?

Quite the contary, the parents and surrounding adults believe in this just as much as the people doing the crime..

Stop thinking about it as a single group of people within a country like the UK.. We're all merged into one culture with a few differences like religion, food...etc.. Where in Africa there's still a very large group that practice the old culture and don't try to adapt with laws/practices that they believe don't govern them

nomadking

07-12-2009 11:42

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34922509)

Quite the contary, the parents and surrounding adults believe in this just as much as the people doing the crime..

Stop thinking about it as a single group of people within a country like the UK.. We're all merged into one culture with a few differences like religion, food...etc.. Where in Africa there's still a very large group that practice the old culture and don't try to adapt with laws/practices that they believe don't govern them

Exactly. So how would a formal education from those same people change anything? The problem is not a lack of a formal education.

Kymmy

07-12-2009 11:56

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Hmmm, you don't seem to understand the culture over there...

The people doing these crimes simply don't know better as they've been brought up immersed in this culture that's passed down to them, education would break that ignorance (education isn't just about how to write your name and add 1+1... :rolleyes: ) and make them understand that there are laws out there, that what's taught to them by relatives isn't always right..

Stuart

07-12-2009 11:59

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922512)

Exactly. So how would a formal education from those same people change anything? The problem is not a lack of a formal education.

Exactly the same as it helped in this country. You introduce the idea to children, and eventually, they introduce it to their children. It happens slowly (over a few generations), but it does happen. Take, for example, colour in this country.

Most people (the BNP notwithstanding) are generally not bothered about other colours or races. Yet 40 years ago, they may well have attacked someone because they though other races were evil. Why is this? Part of the reason is that for the last few years (particularly the last 20), we have been taught to accept other colours.

It also worth remembering that people (as a group) tend to be frightened of what they don't know about, and they attack out of fear.

martyh

07-12-2009 12:00

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I think Kymmy's right,during aparthied these people were denied education because they were black and ,possibly even encouraged towards these beliefs as a way to confirm them being inferior to whites

nomadking

07-12-2009 12:32

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I'm gobsmacked at the total and utter nonsense being spouted here. These types of views existed long before apartheid and in areas without apartheid, and don't necessarily exist in parts of the world without any formal(ie western) education, and even still exist in some areas where there is formal education.

Damien

07-12-2009 12:47

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922536)

That is what people are saying, the legacy of apartheid is partly responsible. That a system exists where there are the educated and the ill-educated.

martyh

07-12-2009 13:09

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922536)

yes these views did exist before apartheid ,they were also kept in place by apartheid ,it could take generations for any kind of change in belief to happen .It has to be remembered that during apartheid SA was ostracised by the western world, as a result the black population didn't have the benefit of mixing with other cultures as freely as the others ,so became entrenched in a belief system handed down from colonial days ,this is were modern education will benefit ,it will teach them that this kind of behaviour is no longer accepted in modern society around the world

nomadking

07-12-2009 14:29

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IIRC under apartheid they did have the option of education, but chose not to go.

BTW how can something be considered a limited view of the world, when I have been making comparisons with behaviour worldwide?

Kymmy

07-12-2009 14:38

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922612)

IIRC under apartheid they did have the option of education, but chose not to go.

WHAT???

Under apartheid the education system was based in the homelands of the various classes of people.. As most were illegally in townships or there legally for work then what hope could they get an education and afford to live????

Sorry but do you have any understanding of the issues in SA at that time and the constraints put on the majority of the population?? Either live in your "homeland" and have no work and starve or go live in the cities but only illegally with your family or legal on your own if you have work....

nomadking

07-12-2009 14:45

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IIRC there were news reports of boycotting of schools.

martyh

07-12-2009 14:54

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922629)

IIRC there were news reports of boycotting of schools.

that would be a protest against black/white only schools.This was the type of education they were allowed to have

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"The Bantu Education Act (No. 47) of 1953 widened the gaps in educational opportunities for different racial groups. Two of the architects of Bantu education, Dr. W.M. Eiselen and Dr. Hendrik F. Verwoerd, had studied in Germany and had adopted many elements of National Socialist (Nazi) philosophy. The concept of racial "purity," in particular, provided a rationalization for keeping black education inferior. Verwoerd, then minister of native affairs, said black Africans "should be educated for their opportunities in life," and that there was no place for them "above the level of certain forms of labour." The government also tightened its control over religious high schools by eliminating almost all financial aid, forcing many churches to sell their schools to the government or close them entirely.
Christian National Education supported the NP program of apartheid by calling on educators to reinforce cultural diversity and to rely on "mother-tongue" instruction in the first years of primary school. This philosophy also espoused the idea that a person's social responsibilities and political opportunities are defined, in large part, by that person's ethnic identity. The government also gave strong management control to the school boards, who were elected by the parents in each district.
Official attitudes toward African education were paternalistic, based on trusteeship and segregation. Black education was not supposed to drain government resources away from white education. The number of schools for blacks increased during the 1960s, but their curriculum was designed to prepare children for menial jobs. Per-capita government spending on black education slipped to one-tenth of spending on whites in the 1970s. Black schools had inferior facilities, teachers, and textbooks."

this article was the first hit on google and reading it ,it is no wonder that black people in SA have problems now

Kymmy

07-12-2009 15:00

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34922629)

IIRC there were news reports of boycotting of schools.

Yes, and I never said they didn't have access to schools (or some of them as hundreds of pupils to one qualified teacher isn't really access)

If you do read though what I typed previously is that the townships didn't have official schools (there was no need for them as the population were a workforce)

Sorry Nomadking but if you're getting your info from the news and only the news then you have a lot to learn..

Escapee

07-12-2009 19:03

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34922642)

My partner had to go to school in Zimbabwe, I believe this was not uncommon amongst black families that could afford an education for their children. Although I get the impression that families that could afford this were in a minority.

Strange now to think that Zimbabwe was a better place to send your kids in the 70s and 80s.

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