Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

you might be a 5th columnist ;)

had lunch with MT :nworthy: respect

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Yes this is pretty much it. Like when there is a horrible murder and they accuse those of us against the death penalty of effectively being pro-murder or whatever. It is underhanded mis-presentation of our views (as a left winger).

I don't think many people, if anyone, said uncontrolled immigration is a good thing. We did say that Immigration is important and that we do benefit from it. The NHS being an example. Labour electioneering not withstanding it, that point has not diminished.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

*shiver*

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Immigration per se isn't the problem - it's the 'uncontrolled' bit that's the problem for most people. We don't need uncontrolled immigration to have an effective NHS or enjoy the benefits of highly qualified personnel from around the world after all. Of course you wouldn't guess that from New Labour's approach to the issue which involved few if any meaningful controls until very recently. If they didn't think it was a good idea or and/or suited their agenda why didn't they impose stricter limits for non EU immigration?

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Seconds thoughts. Not going to engage.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

oh heck death penalty and muslims
im of to bed :rolleyes:

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

i've never understood that argument, paying nurses so little we have to employ cheap foreign workers isn't something to be proud about.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Funny how in a world of variety and possibility some of us insist in talking in terms of absolutes.

Or in other worlds in a world of vibrant colour some of us stick only to black and white and can't even shade and tint those two to include differing greys.:rolleyes:

It's not an either world,it's not an other world.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Ah. I know what's happened here. You have misunderstood the argument. Basically the shortage of nurses is because a lot of people don't train to be nurses. It is skilled work and requires training. They get paid more than minuma wage as well so it's not 'cheap foreign workers' they are educated workers.

How about doctors? They do get paid a lot and look how many immigrant doctors there are.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Still think the BNP are wrong?

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Yes.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Me too - controlled immigration which truly benefits the people of this country does NOT require the likes of the BNP to be supported or, worse still, in power.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Even though exactly what they've been saying all along is now being proven true? you really have all been brainwashed.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

Not at all my friend. I've been around long enough to know that aspects of what they've been saying have been proved partially true and the BNP aren't the only ones who've been making that point. There's also no doubt that the main parties (especially our current 'government') have fudged this issue for years, let this nation down and thereby created the conditions in which the BNP can garner support, much of it misguided.

However, whilst I fully understand and share some of the grave concerns of those who oppose uncontrolled immigration, the vast bulk of what the BNP stands for and their abject lack of any other real policy ought to make them unelectable by any reasonable person.

Re: Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
 

As Osem says there is a difference between legitimate concerns over Immigration and the BNP's view that all Immigration is bad as well as ethnic minorities being asked to vacate the country so that Britain can be 99% white.

The legitimate concerns, expressed by many on this forum, are valid and are to do with problems of mass migration into small areas which could adversely affect a town. Those of us who sometimes disagree with these views, like me, would question how often this truly happens and how much is media spin. As well as trying to emphasise that well-managed immigration is a good thing. Pointing to the amount of Doctors and Social Workers who are Immigrants, as well as the successes we have had in the past.

The BNP's "concerns" are not valid. They are against all Immigration fundamentally because they believe that minorities are a danger to Britain, and to the ethnic make-up of Britain. If you look at BNP policy they don't seem to mind white immigration or members. As long as they descend from the correct racial group they don't care. They would cause critical under-staffing in the NHS and social work. They would basically revoke 'Britishness' to those who are Asian/Black no matter how long they or their family have lived here.

It is rather simple. The BNP are racists using Immigration as a ploy to win votes.