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Maggy 10-09-2009 07:58
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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34869942)
i doubt it would cost that and in any case they don't often bring in retrospective laws mostly its just that it has to be done at the next refurb and all new housig fitted

plus look at all those extra jobs it could create ;)

as to cost it cost about as much as carpeting a house or flat so some where between £1500 to £3000

but for most landlords and housing associations they should get a lot of that back in reduced insurance premiums over time and in any case if every one had to have it the cost of putting it in would drop as more companies competed for the work


all in all i think its worth the cost any how especially for multy occupancy houses and flats and still worth it for houses as well
The big plus for any landlord is that at the end of the day if there is a fire the property will still be standing with sprinklers installed, whereas if there is a fire without such a system in place there is every chance the building will be gone..

tdadyslexia 05-12-2009 23:09
Re: Please Help Me To Save Lives
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34869972)
The big plus for any landlord is that at the whereas if there is a fire without such a system in place there is every chance the building will be gone.
To true!

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Flyboy 06-12-2009 00:34
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As a landlord, in most cases it is cost prohibitive to install systems such as sprinklers and in some case impossible, no matter much how money we have. It is better to have fire prevention, rather than suppression. Using fire retardant materials in furnishings, decor and flooring's is a good start. Well lit and clear escape routes is also very important. Fire escapes are already a mandatory requirement for residential buildings higher than two storeys. HMOs occupied by more than three unrelated people already require alarms and extinguishers etc.

Although I am no longer in the HMO sector, all my properties have extinguishers, smoke alarms and fire blankets installed. They also have fire escape rope ladders in at least one up stairs fire egress window, in conjunction with window hammers. These items are checked on a regular basis and I have clauses in rental agreements, which include that the tenants are in breach of their tenancy, if they allow theses items to be misused or fall into disrepair, e.g. if they do not tell me that the fire extinguisher has developed a fault (leak etc.), or that they don't bother to replace the batteries in the smoke alarms, they run the risk of losing their tenancy (rather a homeless tenant than a dead tenant). The cost of these items is are not expensive (neither are they cheap either), but they are reflected in the rent. I have calculated that over about five years, on average, approximately eight pounds a month goes toward the installation and maintenance of this equipment.

Most landlords will do everything that is necessary and more to protect their assets (that includes the tenants as well as the properties) and that includes preventing fire from burning them down. The insurance may replace the buildings, but not necessarily the rent.

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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34869942)
i doubt it would cost that and in any case they don't often bring in retrospective laws mostly its just that it has to be done at the next refurb and all new housig fitted

plus look at all those extra jobs it could create ;)

as to cost it cost about as much as carpeting a house or flat so some where between £1500 to £3000

but for most landlords and housing associations they should get a lot of that back in reduced insurance premiums over time and in any case if every one had to have it the cost of putting it in would drop as more companies competed for the work


all in all i think its worth the cost any how especially for multy occupancy houses and flats and still worth it for houses as well
I have never spent more than five hundred pounds in carpeting a three bedroom house and that would be a big house with very good carpets.

To install a modern day sprinkler system in a block of six flats, would cost between about fifty and one hundred thousand pounds. That's a lot of carpets.

danielf 06-12-2009 00:37
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Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34921825)
You might want to get professional and correct the glaring spelling errors first. FFS: 'pleas sine the petition' on a flashing background?

You mean 'please' rather than 'pleas'

Sine' (unless used in Latin or Mathematical phrases) is not a word in the English language. 'Sign' looks more appropriate.

And lose the flashing background. The nineties are well and truly over.

Flyboy 06-12-2009 00:42
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Daniel, the OP is dyslexic (the user name is a bit of a clue ;) ), not fair pointing out spelling errors in that way, really. ;)

danielf 06-12-2009 00:52
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921888)
Daniel, the OP is dyslexic (the user name is a bit of a clue ;) ), not fair pointing out spelling errors in that way, really. ;)
Hmmm, just noticed that. Then again, he/she is inviting others to use banners with glaring spelling errors, which kind of defeats the purpose. If you want to make a point, do it profesionally. If you know you're dyslexic, ask your local spelling Nazi to check it for you. It's not difficult. And there's still no excuse for the early 90s flashing background.

Stuart 06-12-2009 01:16
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Signed, although I don't think it'll make much difference..

Mr Angry 06-12-2009 01:41
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921879)
Most landlords will do everything that is necessary and more to protect their assets (that includes the tenants as well as the properties)
Speaks volumes.

Signed.

tdadyslexia 06-12-2009 04:10
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tdadyslexia 06-12-2009 06:50
Re: Please Help Me To Save Lives
 
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34921879)
As a landlord, in most cases it is cost prohibitive to install systems such as sprinklers and in some case impossible,
[By Bold] Rubbish see Eclipse Fire Protection.

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no matter much how money we have.
Don't you meen "no matter how much money we have" ?
Is still a lode of Rubbish.

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It is better to have fire prevention, rather than suppression.
No it is better to have them both, tipicull landlord with that kind of comment.

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Well lit and clear escape routes is also very important.
No it is a legal requirement already, and I bet you know already that it is a legal requirement ?

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Fire escapes are already a mandatory requirement for residential buildings higher than two storeys.
No, but if the building has been converted in to flats or a HMO then yes it does need a Fire escape!


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HMOs occupied by more than three unrelated people already require alarms and extinguishers etc.
You require a Fire Alarm System plus Fire Extinguishers and Emergency Lighting it is a legal requirement for the above!

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Although I am no longer in the HMO sector, all my properties have extinguishers, smoke alarms and fire blankets installed.
I would hope so, and I hope your smoke alarms are not the DIY battery tipe? If thay are you are breaking the law, you must have a Full Fire Alarm System with Emergency Lighting as well as Fire Extinguishers in a House of Multiple Occupation (HMO)!

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They also have fire escape rope ladders in at least one up stairs fire egress window, in conjunction with window hammers.
[My Bold] You scrooge, that is just doing the bare minimal required by law, tipicull landlord.

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These items are checked on a regular basis and I have clauses in rental agreements, which include that the tenants are in breach of their tenancy, if they allow theses items to be misused or fall into disrepair, e.g. if they do not tell me that the fire extinguisher has developed a fault (leak etc.),
[My Bold] Will not hold up in court, you and you a lone are responsable for the Emergency equipment!

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or that they don't bother to replace the batteries in the smoke alarms, they run the risk of losing their tenancy (rather a homeless tenant than a dead tenant).
[My Bold] Oh so you are breaking the law see above!

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The cost of these items is are not expensive (neither are they cheap either), but they are reflected in the rent. I have calculated that over about five years, on average, approximately eight pounds a month goes toward the installation and maintenance of this equipment.
So you are trying to say that you are refilling the Fire Extinguishers or replacing the batteries in the Fire Alarm System each month that is just Rubbish.

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Most landlords will do everything that is necessary and more to protect their assets (that includes the tenants as well as the properties) and that includes preventing fire from burning them down.
[My Bold] Don't you mean the bare minimum

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The insurance may replace the buildings, but not necessarily the rent.
Rubbish, you must have the rongh insurance then.

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I have never spent more than five hundred pounds in carpeting a three bedroom house and that would be a big house with very good carpets.
So you hav not bought Fire Resistant carpeting then? so you are breaking the law ones more! All carpeting and window coverings must be Fire Resistant in a HMO! Plus all furnishings must be Fire Resistant in a HMO as well

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To install a modern day sprinkler system in a block of six flats, would cost between about fifty and one hundred thousand pounds.
What a load of Rubbish.

joglynne 06-12-2009 09:24
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Already signed. One signature may not make any difference but get enough people to demand to be heard and maybe some one will listen.

tdadyslexia 06-12-2009 10:05
Re: Please Help Me To Save Lives
 
Thank you for Signing the petition, and you are spot on, on wat you sed.

Flyboy 07-12-2009 13:41
Re: Please Help Me To Save Lives
 
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Originally Posted by tdadyslexia (Post 34921915)
[By Bold] Rubbish see Eclipse Fire Protection.


Don't you meen "no matter how much money we have" ?
Is still a lode of Rubbish.

No it is better to have them both, tipicull landlord with that kind of comment.


No it is a legal requirement already, and I bet you know already that it is a legal requirement ?


No, but if the building has been converted in to flats or a HMO then yes it does need a Fire escape!



You require a Fire Alarm System plus Fire Extinguishers and Emergency Lighting it is a legal requirement for the above!


I would hope so, and I hope your smoke alarms are not the DIY battery tipe? If thay are you are breaking the law, you must have a Full Fire Alarm System with Emergency Lighting as well as Fire Extinguishers in a House of Multiple Occupation (HMO)!


[My Bold] You scrooge, that is just doing the bare minimal required by law, tipicull landlord.

[My Bold] Will not hold up in court, you and you a lone are responsable for the Emergency equipment!

[My Bold] Oh so you are breaking the law see above!


So you are trying to say that you are refilling the Fire Extinguishers or replacing the batteries in the Fire Alarm System each month that is just Rubbish.

[My Bold] Don't you mean the bare minimum

Rubbish, you must have the rongh insurance then.

So you hav not bought Fire Resistant carpeting then? so you are breaking the law ones more! All carpeting and window coverings must be Fire Resistant in a HMO! Plus all furnishings must be Fire Resistant in a HMO as well

What a load of Rubbish.
Look, I was quite willing to have a rational discussion with you on this subject, believe it or not I actually agree there should be more done to improve the safety of some places. I have seen some very dire properties that I wouldn't let to anyone. But, I think you need to brush up on your understanding of residential lettings regulations and calm down on the "typical landlord" rhetoric. The fire safety procedures I have in my properties are way above the required minimums and I do not need you to tell me anything different.

Kymmy 07-12-2009 14:19
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Eeeek, this would mean no more indoor BBQ's... I think I'll pass!!!

tdadyslexia 07-12-2009 16:16
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34922621)
[Snip] believe it or not I actually agree there should be more done to improve the safety of some places.
That is good to here!

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I have seen some very dire properties that I wouldn't let to anyone.
So have I seen some bad properties, and I have had a number of them instructed to upgrade there properties by the Fire Brigade.

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But, I think you need to brush up on your understanding of residential lettings regulations and calm down on the "typical landlord" rhetoric.
A HMO and B&B is not a residential letting, it is a private letting technically.

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The fire safety procedures I have in my properties are way above the required minimums and I do not need you to tell me anything different.
So all your Furniture and Furnishings comply with the Furniture and Furnishings (Fire) (Safety) Regulations 1988

Plus see: Fire safety law and guidance documents for business

So wear have I got it wrong on what I said?


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