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hackor_cable 20-03-2009 00:36
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
nope i pay for 20 and probably will pay for the 50 as well when it live.

but im happy to do it to get around virgins ripoff traffic shaping that i never signed up for
as I said for most of us its not about free broardband

but virgin wants you to blame us and not them

xocemp 20-03-2009 00:49
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So a cmts is projected to run at best performance with X mount of modems running off it and with added cloned modems it doesn't impact on the QOS of cmts?
Could you explain how that works please?

Stabhappy 20-03-2009 00:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by idontpirate (Post 34757467)
Not possible to hack a router to get a better connection since the phone line determines it. With a modem, it determines your connection speed and sorts your connection.
Inside ADSL routers are modems anyway. Modem just means modulation demodulation, i.e. transferring analogue signals to binary. Most internet services use a modem. I would say 100% but I can't back that up ;)

hackor_cable 20-03-2009 01:07
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xocemp (Post 34757497)
So a cmts is projected to run at best performance with X mount of modems running off it and with added cloned modems it doesn't impact on the QOS of cmts?
Could you explain how that works please?
it does have an inpact

but a far smaller inpact that virgin not having enough bandwidth and serously oversubcribing the service

moaningmags 20-03-2009 01:10
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackor_cable (Post 34757513)
it does have an inpact

but a far smaller inpact that virgin not having enough bandwidth and serously oversubcribing the service
So, for example, VM have enough bandwith for 500 x 2Mb users, you and 3 of your friends ripping off 20Mb each will only have a small impact?

Mince!

xocemp 20-03-2009 01:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hackor_cable (Post 34757513)
it does have an inpact

but a far smaller inpact that virgin not having enough bandwidth and serously oversubcribing the service
So lets assume your right and VM don't have enough bandwidth & oversubscribe, you taking more bandwidth than you pay for if you pay for any at all, that makes its better or the right thing to do?

And by better I mean the state of the service full paying customers get?

hackor_cable 20-03-2009 01:17
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xocemp (Post 34757519)
So lets assume your right and VM don't have enough bandwidth & oversubscribe, you taking more bandwidth than you pay for if you pay for any at all, that makes its better or the right thing to do?

And by better I mean the state of the service full paying customers get?
how i taking more if i already pay for top tear service anyway like i said most of us do only advantage im getting is im getting the 20meg i pay for and not 5meg after a few downloads

I I wanted to be greeady I would hook up 4 modem and a quad wan router that load balances
now that would be greedy :D:D:D


hmm

170meg down 6meg up in bittorent and news groupes

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telfordcable 20-03-2009 01:22
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Originally Posted by hackor_cable (Post 34757522)
170meg down 6meg up in bittorent and news groupes
yeah rite .... don't believe you on this !

hackor_cable 20-03-2009 01:27
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Originally Posted by telfordcable (Post 34757526)
yeah rite .... don't believe you on this !
never heard of load balanceing more than one conection

heres a link to a nice bit of kit that will load balance 4 conections
http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor3300v.html

graf_von_anonym 20-03-2009 01:29
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
The thieves are outweighed by the millions of legitimate subscribers, so, yes, those millions of people who are paying for their services are going to have more influence over the network as a whole, but their influence is going to be tightly constrained by what the hardware that Virgin have provided (and configured for) them can do. The elite hackers* who steal cable services interact with the network in ways Virgin can only attempt to prevent, or close off, but that doesn't mean their actions won't have consequences for legitimate users of services. The Cisco equipment ostensibly has the capability to balance load across different UBR/CMTS if the node connects to a big part of the network, and messing about with it won't do anyone any favours.

I mean, obviously, Virgin can spare the money. Their debt is being serviced with smiles and rainbows, and their staff are motivated by innate esprit de corps rather than by money. One of the first parts of Virgin Media induction, I believe, is having the appendix replaced so one can subsist on the colour red.

* I class those who pirate cable somewhere between the guy who used to steal electricity from a mate's flat and shoplifters. It's petty, trivial, pointless, an inconvenience to others, a symptom more of greed and an inability to control personal finances and desires than anything else. Cunning, yes, venal, even, but more pitiable than anything else. At least it keeps them in-doors, but it is a bit of a shame that unlike stealing electricity there's less risk of them cooking themselves.

telfordcable 20-03-2009 01:32
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hackor_cable - be careful virgin media staff are watching you and they could SWITCH OFF your connection !

xocemp 20-03-2009 01:32
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On your end, yeah that would work as would a piece of software and a little knowledge of IP & subnets, which is lot cheaper than a router, or didn't they teach you that in hacker school ;)
So educate me how you will manage from which DHCP you will be using network side?

hackor_cable 20-03-2009 01:35
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by graf_von_anonym (Post 34757530)
The thieves are outweighed by the millions of legitimate subscribers, so, yes, those millions of people who are paying for their services are going to have more influence over the network as a whole, but their influence is going to be tightly constrained by what the hardware that Virgin have provided (and configured for) them can do. The elite hackers* who steal cable services interact with the network in ways Virgin can only attempt to prevent, or close off, but that doesn't mean their actions won't have consequences for legitimate users of services. The Cisco equipment ostensibly has the capability to balance load across different UBR/CMTS if the node connects to a big part of the network, and messing about with it won't do anyone any favours.

I mean, obviously, Virgin can spare the money. Their debt is being serviced with smiles and rainbows, and their staff are motivated by innate esprit de corps rather than by money. One of the first parts of Virgin Media induction, I believe, is having the appendix replaced so one can subsist on the colour red.

* I class those who pirate cable somewhere between the guy who used to steal electricity from a mate's flat and shoplifters. It's petty, trivial, pointless, an inconvenience to others, a symptom more of greed and an inability to control personal finances and desires than anything else. Cunning, yes, venal, even, but more pitiable than anything else. At least it keeps them in-doors, but it is a bit of a shame that unlike stealing electricity there's less risk of them cooking themselves.

You wont risk cooking your self stealing electricity if you know what you doing.

BRB goto go warter the plants. :D:D:D

Gary L 20-03-2009 01:37
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by moaningmags (Post 34757517)
So, for example, VM have enough bandwith for 500 x 2Mb users, you and 3 of your friends ripping off 20Mb each will only have a small impact?
As it is it's only equivalent to an extra 30 people over the proposed 500. probably not half as much as what Virgin stick on top themselves.

xocemp 20-03-2009 01:41
Re: Why hackers still here ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34757540)
As it is it's only equivalent to an extra 30 people over the proposed 500. probably not half as much as what Virgin stick on top themselves.
Perhaps you can explain then. How does adding cloned modems make it better or acceptable?


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