Originally Posted by tphj (Post 34678249)

I have a driving licence and passport both my photo and date of birth are on them,so no one can complain about that.
On an ID card I would have the above on plus my NI number,my right to live and work in the UK,any biometric details that are required.
The only issue I have with ID cards is the cost

Originally Posted by tphj (Post 34678124)

ID Cards
For or Against?
Why?

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34678338)

I think those who say they have nothing to hide will probably think different when after a few months of data being collated on them. some of that info is read back to them in the form of a question. like you went to Liverpool on such a date and I see you bought such and such on another date. why did you buy such and such or even would you like to buy such and such to go with your such and such that we can see you bought.

This is not a thing to combat terrorism. it is just to gather as much information as possible about a person and their habits and lifestyle.
within a few years of us having the card, it wouldn't surprise me if it now becomes compulsory to have a chip implanted under your skin, and a barcode tattoo on the back of your hand :)

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34678360)

LOL their records of my movements and purchases would be much fun I can tell you.

Originally Posted by demented (Post 34678379)

Doubt it. I got tracked and followed by some undercover police officers that didn't declare themselves. I thought they were a pair of muggers and were highly suspicious of them as they stuck out a mile and was walking away at a very brisk speed. It didn't occur to these muppets that I was walking along and started being followed by what looked like two very large and padded out thugs who may have had weapons hidden that I might start to be a little bit concerned. The reason I was followed? I was walking and wearing a pair of gloves on a very cold day. Walking along a section of road known for it's windiness all year round. Fortunately for me their sarge who turned up after being called in with a panda car full of cops wasn't so amused by their story.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34678384)

Not sure what that's got to do with ID cards :confused:

Originally Posted by demented (Post 34678390)

I'm saying that mass harvesting of such information leads to such weird scenarios and ID cards would make things a million times worse. If you had ID cards and environment affecting biometrics you could make all sorts of weird connections about where you'd been. Been through a park at night? Must be a drug dealer. Browsed round a shop during a day when there was a robber. Must be the shoplifter. Wandering round London with interest in particular buildings? Must be a terrorist, not a tourist.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34678393)

Couldn't that same information just as easily rule a suspect out of the equation though?

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34678262)

You haven't actually stated any benefits, only features.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34678393)

Couldn't that same information just as easily rule a suspect out of the equation though?

Originally Posted by demented (Post 34678412)

Depends how one goes about things as to how that is answered. The trend thesedays is for ever more harvesting of information. There's a scary story in Tescopoly about a lady who took off her gloves/scarf (I forget which) in the supermarket and somehow managed to escape the clutches of the security guards through not being quick enough. Her Tesco clubcard was used and the police promptly dispatched round to her house to apprehend the criminal.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34678157)

So, if the police were permitted, by law, to cavity search you without any reasonable cause, would you be happy for them to do that because you've nothing to hide? Or, to turn over your house without a warrant, just in case?

The scheme being proposed by the Government will not compel people to carry an ID card on their person. And in any case, carrying, or losing, a piece of plastic with at worst your name and an unflattering photo on it hardly compares to the massive breach of personal security that could occur should your national ID card go missing.

There's no need for a passport when travelling within the EU as it is - only to enter or leave the Schengen immigration zone from the UK. Currently you either carry a passport, or you carry nothing, depending on where you're travelling from and to. That won't change, except that you might carry an ID card instead of a passport. What's the difference, exactly? A passport's not exactly bulky.

How, exactly? Illegal immigrants arrive concealed in the backs of 40-tonne HGVs and don't form a queue at passport control.

The police, or other Authorities, have been identifying people in this country for centuries. The number of criminal cases where identity is a significant problem in cracking a case and getting a conviction is vanishingly small.

Seeing as you would not have to actually carry the card described in the Government's proposed scheme, it will be of no use whatsoever in stop-and-search incidents.

The cost of these things is in effect a massively regressive tax on the poor, who can ill afford it. It's hardly convenient to most of the rest of us as well.

But the cost issue pales into insignificance next to the Government's demonstrable inability to enforce anything that even remotely resembles internal data security.

Don't forget, if you have any children, that your full contact and bank account details are still floating around out there on a CD-ROM containing details of the UK's entire child benefit entitlement.

Originally Posted by bw41101 (Post 34678448)

That's a lot of words to express an opinion - which (of course) you're perfectly entitled to do. However (as I intimated when originally asked) I've got absolutely nothing to hide and irrespective of how many members make a song and dance about the reasons for my choice nothing will persuade me otherwise - to whit, have no qualms about having an ID card

Capiche!

Si thee :Sprint: