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NitroNutter 12-12-2008 10:41
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
It was the same for the endowment claims, they charged 30% or so to send out a form for submittal, maybe write a couple of letters and get paid usually in the 1000's which rarely cost more than £100 to actually claim, all for a self creating legal argument as the biggest reason for a claim was the lack of disclosure at the point of endowment sale of penalties incurred by the endowment company that would affect the policy, which each and every claim amounted to being. This led to a quick death of the endowment tied to mortgage scheme from the 80's so subsequently a distinct lacking in investment in this area exacerbating the potential shortfalls even further.

Again the winners were the solicitor firms, the losers were Joe public. To all intense and purposes this sort of thing demonstrates exactly whats wrong with society today, why ganglords are taking over the streets and recruiting youth of varying ages at a very fast rate and it really does not matter what ideaology is behind it, money talks morals and respectability walks, and is especially so in an anarchistic style marketplace.

Maggy 12-12-2008 13:00
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34694973)
What John Mann the MP who took the firm to court didn't mention was, the amount of money paid out by Berresfords in taking British Coal to court fighting for the money the miners got for instance, it was Berresfords who started the deafness claims with British Coal, it was Berresfords who started the Vibration white finger claim against the Coal Board, it was Berresfords who started the chest claims against the Coal Board. If Berresfords hadn't started these claims in the first place the miners mentioned wouldn't have got ANY compensation. Berresords forked out money when all the other Solicitors walked away because they thought it was a non starter.

Berresfords acted for my late father with his claim for his chest illness, my father got one of the highest payouts in Nottighamshire which was in the £100,000+ area all he had to pay Berresfords was £275, for this £275 they took the calim to court, they acted on behalf of you when it came to you getting a fair claim, they even paid for you to have a private medical, they made sure the claim ran smoothly.

So Basically if it wasn't for Berresfords taking a risk with the Vibration white finger, deafness, and chest claims the miners woudn't have got any money from British Coal, they forked out money when all the other firms ran away.

John Mann is a very bitter man indeed.
Taken from the link in post #14

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The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) agreed to pay lawyers' fees in successful cases and it was also agreed that in unsuccessful cases miners would not have to bear costs.
Beresford and Smith's joint earnings went from more than £182,000 in 2000 to £23,273,256 in 2006, the tribunal heard.
But Timothy Dutton QC, appearing for the Solicitors' Regulatory Authority (SRA), said charging conditional or contingency fees over and above those set out in the scheme was "unacceptable".
In one case, the firm deducted a "success fee" from the widow of a miner, leaving her with a total payout of just £217.73, the tribunal heard.
Sorry Nidge but they may have begun well but frankly what they were doing in the end was unacceptable

Osem 12-12-2008 14:11
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34695106)
Sorry Nidge but they may have begun well but frankly what they were doing in the end was unacceptable
Got to agree. Money tends to have that effect on some people.....

cookie_365 12-12-2008 21:36
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34694973)
What John Mann the MP who took the firm to court didn't mention was, the amount of money paid out by Berresfords in taking British Coal to court fighting for the money the miners got for instance, it was Berresfords who started the deafness claims with British Coal, it was Berresfords who started the Vibration white finger claim against the Coal Board, it was Berresfords who started the chest claims against the Coal Board. If Berresfords hadn't started these claims in the first place the miners mentioned wouldn't have got ANY compensation. Berresords forked out money when all the other Solicitors walked away because they thought it was a non starter.

Berresfords acted for my late father with his claim for his chest illness, my father got one of the highest payouts in Nottighamshire which was in the £100,000+ area all he had to pay Berresfords was £275, for this £275 they took the calim to court, they acted on behalf of you when it came to you getting a fair claim, they even paid for you to have a private medical, they made sure the claim ran smoothly.

So Basically if it wasn't for Berresfords taking a risk with the Vibration white finger, deafness, and chest claims the miners woudn't have got any money from British Coal, they forked out money when all the other firms ran away.

John Mann is a very bitter man indeed.
I'm sorry Nidge but there is no way that the firm did all this for just £275. That's about one hour's worth of work. The medical alone is likely to have cost that much, and unless he had an exemption then just issuing proceedings - depending on when it was - would have cost 2 or 3 times that amount. They will have taken this money AND been paid by the DTI.

It's the topping up of fees and the way they advised clients to take cases on under CFAs because they were better for Beresfords not the clients that got them in doodoo.

Oh and Osem, the reason not every complaint results in a solicitor being struck off is because the overwhelming majority of complaints are for trivial reasons, whinges that they didn't get the outcome they wanted, rejected because they haven't bothered going through the solicitors own complaints procedure without a good reason, or minor stuff like delays and poor communication that doesn't warrant striking off. Oh, and the fact that there aren't even 17000 solicitors around to be reported ;)

Since the only professional thing about that site is the logo they stole off the LCS I would't put much faith in anything that's there if I were you :)

Osem 12-12-2008 22:47
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cookie_365 (Post 34695421)
Oh and Osem, the reason not every complaint results in a solicitor being struck off is because the overwhelming majority of complaints are for trivial reasons, whinges that they didn't get the outcome they wanted, rejected because they haven't bothered going through the solicitors own complaints procedure without a good reason, or minor stuff like delays and poor communication that doesn't warrant striking off. Oh, and the fact that there aren't even 17000 solicitors around to be reported ;)

Since the only professional thing about that site is the logo they stole off the LCS I would't put much faith in anything that's there if I were you :)
Don't worry about me - I tend not to put too much faith in anything much these days ;) I posted that link because, despite quite a lot of searching, they were the only recent figures I could find. I wonder why that is...... :confused:

Anyway, I do of course realise that only a proportion of complaints would be deemed serious enough to consider the ultimate sanction but it'd be interesting to see more comprehensive figures. I did however find this:

http://www.lawcare.org.uk/PDF%20File...n%E2%80%A6.pdf

Which makes interesting reading even if it's almost entirely devoid of statistics.

Nidge 12-12-2008 23:28
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cookie_365 (Post 34695421)
I'm sorry Nidge but there is no way that the firm did all this for just £275. That's about one hour's worth of work. The medical alone is likely to have cost that much, and unless he had an exemption then just issuing proceedings - depending on when it was - would have cost 2 or 3 times that amount. They will have taken this money AND been paid by the DTI.

It's the topping up of fees and the way they advised clients to take cases on under CFAs because they were better for Beresfords not the clients that got them in doodoo.

Oh and Osem, the reason not every complaint results in a solicitor being struck off is because the overwhelming majority of complaints are for trivial reasons, whinges that they didn't get the outcome they wanted, rejected because they haven't bothered going through the solicitors own complaints procedure without a good reason, or minor stuff like delays and poor communication that doesn't warrant striking off. Oh, and the fact that there aren't even 17000 solicitors around to be reported ;)

Since the only professional thing about that site is the logo they stole off the LCS I would't put much faith in anything that's there if I were you :)
Well it's true all they charged my father was £275, they only charged me £200when I got £11,000 from the coal board for vibration white finger, they charged me £150 when I got £4,000 for deafness if it wasn't for Berresfords taking these test cases on there would be no compensation for the miners.

I was informed today that a test case for beat knee has been withdrawn because of this case yesterday, Berresfords were footing the bill for the test case but after yesterdays outcome they have pulled out, this could leave thousands of ex miners with knee troubles thousands of pounds out of pocket.

So what if Berresfords took money off the DTI they did a good job for the Ex miners round here, you don't see any of them on the news complaining the only ones complaining are the ones in John Manns constituancy, John Mann has had a vendetta against these firms for along time now, they found a way to make a bit of money providing a service for a small fee if you won the case, like I mentioned they've acted for me twice now and I've been well impressed with their service and their fees.

John Mann is vary bitter person indeed.

tweetypie/8 12-12-2008 23:34
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34676126)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/7729956.stm

I wonder when HMG will get tough on excessive legal fees. Oh that's right Parliament's full of lawyers isn't it.....
greedy b£$%&*(s.:mad:

Nidge 12-12-2008 23:34
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34695106)
Taken from the link in post #14



Sorry Nidge but they may have begun well but frankly what they were doing in the end was unacceptable

If what they was doing was unacceptable why have there been no complaints from the ex miners from round here?? All the complaints are from John Manns constituancy not one is from round our way where most of the ex miners lived.

They've acted for me twice now and on both occasions they've done a cracking job for a good fee.

These ex miners who are moaning are the ones who've been given nothing in the way of compensation or have been given a little, something in the region of £1,000 if you get £1,000 you still have to pay a fee to the solicitors, lets get the 200,000 miners they've represented over the last 10 years and see if they've got anything bad to say about them? I doubt they'll have anything bad to say about them.

Maggy 12-12-2008 23:49
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34695504)
If what they was doing was unacceptable why have there been no complaints from the ex miners from round here?? All the complaints are from John Manns constituancy not one is from round our way where most of the ex miners lived.

They've acted for me twice now and on both occasions they've done a cracking job for a good fee.

These ex miners who are moaning are the ones who've been given nothing in the way of compensation or have been given a little, something in the region of £1,000 if you get £1,000 you still have to pay a fee to the solicitors, lets get the 200,000 miners they've represented over the last 10 years and see if they've got anything bad to say about them? I doubt they'll have anything bad to say about them.
I think the bit you have missed is

Quote:
The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) agreed to pay lawyers' fees in successful cases and it was also agreed that in unsuccessful cases miners would not have to bear costs.
So no one should have paid anything out of their compensation because the DTI paid the solicitors.

Osem 13-12-2008 12:13
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34695522)
I think the bit you have missed is



So no one should have paid anything out of their compensation because the DTI paid the solicitors.
In which case those poor unfortunate victims were deprived of much needed money due to them by their trusted legal advisors.... :mad:

Osem 01-05-2009 16:58
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8028843.stm

What a decent chap eh?.... :rolleyes:

Given that some of the profits made were allegedly illegally obtained, are the authorities going to be acting to recover that money?

Stutz 02-05-2009 14:37
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Reminds me of that joke :-
Guy rings up a solicitor and asks " how much do you charge for three questions "
Solicitor replies " three thousand pounds " Guy says " that's a lot for three questions isn't it. Sol replies " yes, and whats your third question "

Kymmy 02-12-2009 13:45
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
The solicitors that were struck off has had their appeal rejected

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8390389.stm

Quote:
Solicitors who took millions of pounds from compensation payouts given to sick miners have lost their appeal against being struck off for misconduct

Osem 02-12-2009 15:11
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Wonder if they'll have to pay any of the £millions back??.... What do you reckon?... :rolleyes:

Earl of Bronze 02-12-2009 15:19
Re: Fat cat lawyers ?
 
Hey, if you want to see the legal profession milking the nation, have a look at the ammounts paid to the QC's and solicitors on the Bloody Sunday Enquiry. Norn Iron got a couple more millionaires out of that enquiry.... :rolleyes:


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