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I take it you stuck to tradition and only read what you wanted to read in my post? Might explain why you missed me saying I wasn't judging her.

If a driver does anything distracting during driving and that action contributes to a crash then pointless agendas aside, that driver has little to complain about.

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Ah yes, you're not judging her, but it's her fault that she was hit by someone else. You're also refering to her clarifying what happend as a pointless agenda. I see you don't change.
Your insurance company would love you in a rear end shunt "Yes, I was sat at traffic lights when the car behind failed to stop, but it's my fault, I scratched my nose at that exact moment distracting myself"

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You've never really got the hang of actually reading people's posts have you?

I said:

And to make it a little easier on you I explained my point a bit more with...

..so in case you missed it again, and to help box you in I'll make it extremely clear:

If a driver is doing something distracting (talking on the phone, lighting up a cigarette, changing a CD etc etc) while on the road and doing that action causes them to lose concentration and they have a crash, they have little to complain about.

Clear enough now? I'm pretty much convinced you can't misquote me or twist me words with that.

"you started it"
"no you started it"
"no! YOU started it"

:rofl:

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My husband has hands free fitted into his car.
I know for a fact that he does not concentrate properly when he's yabbering away to the thing at the top of his car.
If I am in the car, I make him stop if he wants to continue with the call, and I take over driving.

Turn the phone off I say when driving.

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Except, in this case, if the poster above is to be believed, being on the phone helped..

One thing a lot of people seem to forget (when blaming one particular thing for road accidents ) is that there are a lot of things that can distract a driver, and possibly cause accidents.

Xaccers made the point that talking to a driver can distract them. This is true. However, if they are in a position where merely talking to them is going to distract them from the road, maybe they should not be driving?

I have to admit I am not sure that there is a real point to banning mobile phones in cars (I would have thought using them would be covered nicely by the offence of "Driving without due care and attention"). Unless of course that point is (like some many of our government's policies) to make it look like the government is actually achieving something while actually doing nothing.

I think that (and I mean this in general, it is not aimed at anyone specifically) the problem is that people can sometimes forget that driving can be dangerous. All it takes is for someone to look at their phone, stereo or even one of the passengers for 1 second and an accident can happen.

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Incidentally I believe this issue is coming up in America. I believe in many states it's legal to driving while talking on a handset. Although I don't see hands free being different to talking to someone with you in the car..

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I`ve worked in car bodyshops for over 25 years now and most of the vehicles brought in for repair or are total losses are down to **** poor driving, people driving too fast for the road, conditions, etc.

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I think there is a difference, since another person in the car should (hopefully) be aware of the road conditions - and would have enough common sense to stop talking when it looks like something is happening that will require more concentration from the driver (like parallel parking if you're me :) ) - such as a very congestion crossing etc - whereas a person on the other end of the phone has no idea

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However the driver (one would hope) is aware of the road conditions and can ignore the phone conversation, just as they're able to ignore the conversation with a passenger who isn't aware of the road conditions :)


And as I said, Danielle was hit from behind by a lorry driver trying to move into the space behind her. She was in the legitimate place on the road, there was a car in front of her so she couldn't floor it and get out of the way. There was the barrier of the flyover beside her, so she couldn't swerve out of the way.
But because she was on the phone to her husband, you're saying it was her fault.
Yup, that's pretty clear.

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Have we all missed this post?

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Nope. It's happened a few times where the subjects of a story have found a Cable Forum post about it.

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Ermm....where?

Note my use of the word 'if' at the start. Easy to miss when trying to put words in someone's mouth I know but even a seasoned veteran of that sort of thing gets it wrong ocassionally.

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I see you're now trying to wriggle your way out of what you said Russ, just with the homophobic comments you made on the old forum, or the derogatory comments you made regarding the numbers killed in the holocaust.
To refresh your memory, you said (my emphasis to make it clearer) :
Directed specifically at Danielle by you.

You state that you believe using a mobile (as Danielle was) while driving is distracting, and if she's distracted and has an accident (as she did) she's got no-one to blame but herself.

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It's very easy, you've allowed your tainted view of me to read all kinds of things in to my post and not just in this thread either. I'll just point out that no-one else ever seem to agree with you. I'd say that speaks volumes.

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No one's putting words in your mouth, they're the words you posted, one would hope without thinking.


In post #14, you state that you believe using a mobile (as Danielle was) while driving is distracting, and if she's distracted and has an accident (as she did) she's got no-one to blame but herself.

Are you now really trying to deny that's what you posted?

I believe your statement is invalid, there are plenty of situations where a driver can be distracted and involved in an accident and it blatantly is not their fault.
One prime example is Danielle's case.