Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

Looks like you won't ever be upgrading then! lol

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Yep, I agree. So all I get to do is save £35/month :p:

A Little "back of the fag packet" maths. If VM have 3.8m customers and say just 25% are on the 2meg service, that's lost income of just over £33 MILLION a month....


...so that STM really is cost effective isn't it?

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

The vast majority of customers are on the lower tiers and a lot of the income actually comes from the TV side of the business, which most people forget about, they pay a damn site more for TV than they would ever do for Broadband.

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

Free TV with a phone line must be raking the cash in for sure. The whole focus on broadband is because, unlike TV, it is profitable. TV keeps punters so you can sell the stuff that actually makes the dollars to them, broadband and telephony.

With most people on bundles the difference between what they spend on broadband and what they spend on TV is probably minimal, especially with TV M costing next to nothing while BB M is still £18GBP / month.

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

As a happy Be customer (as well as a VM customer, Bulldog/Pipex Customer, Demon Customer etc.) I can tell you that my Bebox syncs at.

1,217 / 6,684 (down/up).

It doesn't matter how many people tell you that you are guaranteed to get the full upstream rate (Be not being one of them, I never have, but still more than happy with 1,217, If I connect with my Dlink ADSL2+ modem I get just over 900)


At the site where I get the 6.5Mbit down and 1-and-a-bit up I have had other much less stable connections that have all been much slower.

Here, (on VM) even if I did have a BT landline, Be isn't available and I get full speed on the 20MBit service anyway.

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

Can I just remind you that STM is not about saving money or about costs, but about preserving the customer experience. :)

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

Do i detect sarcasm? :p:

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

:LOL:

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

the vast majority of "profit" comes from broadband the tv side by the time sky have had there cut is a very low margin

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

Is it still the case that VM are doing nothing to upgrade their networks? I know friends that have had their local 'green boxes' upgraded. I think the belief is that lots of 20Mb customers will upgrade to the 50Mb package thus relieving DOCSIS2.

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

The beliefs are wrong on several levels. VM have introduced another 40% network capacity this year so far I believe. In addition the 20Mbit will be moved to the same hardware as the DOCSIS 3 product, albeit not in DOCSIS 3 mode. Also there is no relieving of DOCSIS 2 as the VM network doesn't run DOCSIS 2. It runs 1.0 as far as I'm aware.

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Could you perhaps explain or link me to something that will help me ascertain what exactly you mean by the VM network. I thought this was a global thing, whereby the entire infrastructure of the network owned by VM would be operational on DOCSIS3. Or is it portioned up into segments so that customers are running on the DOCSIS3 network until the UBR, when it's a different signal modulation to be more efficient?

Re: VM position 50 meg as "premium"
 

Thats my point -- which i quite CLEARLY stated in my other post.

STM is staying. Get used to it. "50meg" will of course have different rules, and please don't argue that with me.. it will, PERIOD.

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I'm definately not getting it if it has a Period.

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Imagine the PMS


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