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nffc 01-07-2008 14:40

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34588701)
I for one hope he loses big time against Nedal. Murray is still too arrogant and cocky with no charisma at all. His younger brother is a much better example than he is.

Does he have a younger brother who plays, too? Jamie is older.

Saaf_laandon_mo 01-07-2008 15:11

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34588721)
Still doesn't change the way I feel about him, he's not the right role model for the sport (yet). And I wasn't disputing his ability on the court.

Henman just wasn't good enough, nothing to do with being nice etc. Murray is a bad loser, and don't have the right qualities to be a winner even if he does actually win the tournament.

I think there is a difference between not wanting/liking to lose and being a bad loser. I haven't seen Murray act or say anything ungracious in defeat. He doesn't like to lose, but thats what will eventually make him a winner?

Bad role model for the sport? He trains hard, he is focused on winning, he's a nice chap outside Tennis. Dont see anything wrong in that.

He definately has the right attitude to win a tournament. He is confident, a touch arrogant both attributes that can instill some fear/doubt in opponents, he is talented too. Did you see some of the shots he played yesterday?

As much as I like Nadal, - after yesterday's epic match I'd have no qualms with Murray beating him tomorrow. In fact I will be rooting for him tomorrow.

Osem 01-07-2008 15:27

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34588715)
Perhaps arrogance and cockiness are what's needed in a winner?:shrug:
After all diffidence and good manners didn't get Henman the ultimate prize:(.

For some people maybe - I don't recall Bjorn Borg or Roger Federer being cocky or arrogant. I think all Henman lacked on grass was the killer instinct.

peanut 02-07-2008 20:18

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Go Nad. :D

Looks like a Nadel and Federer final again, should be a very good match.

TheDaddy 03-07-2008 11:50

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34588701)
I for one hope he loses big time against Nedal. Murray is still too arrogant and cocky with no charisma at all. His younger brother is a much better example than he is.

Older brother ;) Other than that I agree, I don't like him one bit, all that 'anyone but England' crap and he wants us to support him pffft

Osem 03-07-2008 23:56

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
What I want to know is in what sense paying the Williams sisters exactly the same as the the men is an example of equality? When the women have to play the best of 5 sets (or the men the best of 3) parity is warranted.

Damien 04-07-2008 00:02

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34591402)
What I want to know is in what sense paying the Williams sisters exactly the same as the the men is an example of equality? When the women have to play the best of 5 sets (or the men the best of 3) parity is warranted.

Are they doing that? Because your are right, it is not fair, and I am pretty sure that they could handle 5 set matchs. I am sure the playing 3 sets is itself a relic of sexism.

Osem 04-07-2008 00:13

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34591405)
Are they doing that? Because your are right, it is not fair, and I am pretty sure that they could handle 5 set matchs. I am sure the playing 3 sets is itself a relic of sexism.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6385295.stm

Yes they are. If the women can't play up to 5 sets then IMO they don't deserve equal prize money on the grounds of equality. If they can play 5 sets then let them do so or reduce the men to best of 3.

Tezcatlipoca 04-07-2008 00:16

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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34588701)
I for one hope he loses big time against Nedal.


I did think this after Murray lost...

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Damien 04-07-2008 00:19

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34591411)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6385295.stm

Yes they are. If the women can't play up to 5 sets then IMO they don't deserve equal prize money on the grounds of equality. If they can play 5 sets then let them do so or reduce the men to best of 3.

Yes, That is stupid.

5 set matchs mean the men have to work more, will feel greater physical stress post-match, and are at an increased risk of injury (because of their physical condition). The pay should reflect that.

Osem 04-07-2008 00:26

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Well so far as I can see anyone who accused the 'English' media of only bigging up their own got it completely wrong. Plenty of English (and other) pundits jumped on the Murray bandwagon after his thriller against Gasquet only to be shot down by a certain Spaniard.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34591415)
Yes, That is stupid.

5 set matchs mean the men have to work more, will feel greater physical stress post-match, and are at an increased risk of injury (because of their physical condition). The pay should reflect that.

Well of course some still argue that the equality in pay simply reflects the equal entertainment value of the women's, albeit shorter, game. A relative procession to the final for the Williams sisters doesn't bear that out IMHO. I don't see how 5 sets of Nadal v. Federer can be equal in any way to 3 sets of Williams v. Williams.

Damien 04-07-2008 00:36

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Well of course some still argue that the equality in pay simply reflects the equal entertainment value of the women's, albeit shorter, game. A relative procession to the final for the Williams sisters doesn't bear that out IMHO. I don't see how 5 sets of Nadal v. Federer can be equal in any way to 3 sets of Williams v. Williams.
Well, it's not really a valid comparsion. I am sure they would be equal entertainment value if men did 3 sets as well. A 5 set match vs a 3 set match is not a huge difference unless the tennis is really good in the first place, then longer = better.

Osem 04-07-2008 00:45

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34591430)
then longer = better.

Hmmmm must remember NOT to tell my wife that :D

nffc 04-07-2008 00:47

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
Well I guess we might well see 2 mens singles champions this year then...

Hugh 04-07-2008 09:27

Re: Wimbledon 2008
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34591442)
Hmmmm must remember NOT to tell my wife that :D

It's not the speed of your serve, it's the duration of the rally that makes it enjoyable......... ;)


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