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markknell 06-06-2008 13:50
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Trust me he was using a cable for the laptop.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 34569243)
He was using wireless :/ why are you surprised?

Also using a 10mb file with a 50mbit connection - joke imo.

Edit: His laptop was using wireless in the kitchen.

cimt 06-06-2008 13:51
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
100Mb/s down a BT phone line?! HA! Unless they're thinking of starting to use Cable...

That test was unrealistic also. All of a sudden it was 1 third of the way done, then it was completed?

TraxData 06-06-2008 13:53
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cimt (Post 34569257)
100Mb/s down a BT phone line?! HA! Unless they're thinking of starting to use Cable...

That test was unrealistic also. All of a sudden it was 1 third of the way done, then it was completed?
BT are proving 100mbit through FTTH (fibre to the house, or mdu, depends how you look at it) not through copper on all(well almost) new builds from now on.

BT wanted to roll out fibre across the country quite a few years back but the govt wouldnt let them unless they opened it up to everyone, what's the point in spending 12 billion if ur not gonna see profit from it because everyone gets access?

But they are now starting to change their mind, somewhat.

If BT rolls fibre out, it will take a LONG time to get the whole country done.

But with H2o,BT,Ask4 doing fibre, if they decide to really get going then VM would be in trouble.

markknell 06-06-2008 13:54
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Traxdata, I've been using the 50 Mbps service for over a year without problems. I think everyone would love a bigger upload speed but I have no doubts Virgin Media would have to increase the price of the product outside what people can afford.

We have many people testing this service without the negativity I see on this forum. People have a choice and I'm guessing you won't one of the people to take up this service which is fair enough but I can assure you when it goes live I will be.



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Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34569248)
Most of us can get 2.5mbit already on ADSL+2

If you really believe 1.5mbit is quick with a 50mbit download speed your so mistaken.

Enjoy being ripped off anyway :)

TraxData 06-06-2008 13:57
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by markknell (Post 34569265)
Traxdata, I've been using the 50 Mbps service for over a year without problems. I think everyone would love a bigger upload speed but I have no doubts Virgin Media would have to increase the price of the product outside what people can afford.

We have many people testing this service without the negativity I see on this forum. People have a choice and I'm guessing you won't one of the people to take up this service which is fair enough but I can assure you when it goes live I will be.
I've seen many people complaining (on the 50mbit forum) about the fact the service cripples if you multitask (upload and download at the same time) that would be because 1.5mbit isnt enough to handle 50mbit down while uploading at the same time (thus why they are using S.ack).

It's nothing to do with the current pricing as to why VM wont offer higher upload speeds, its down to the fact they opted for the cheaper ambit modems which have no upstream bonding capability, they should of stayed with the old ones and kept the 5+mbit upload.

Upload is just as important as download and with so many legal p2p services about the people who want 50mbit will require high upload speeds.

You seriously telling me its a serious premium product for that price with low upload AND STM upon launch? (10gb limit)

P.S Your right, i wont, i have 25mbit both ways for less than what VM will be charging for this.

Also have a backup Be line with 2.5mbit upload as well.

Edit : there is so much negativity about the 50mbit product because customers are sick and tired of being ripped off, and no matter which way you put it 1.5mbit upload just isnt a fair ratio and abit of a ****take to say the least.

xspeedyx 06-06-2008 13:58
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
The customer was prob STM'd lol

Robertus 06-06-2008 14:00
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
I don't give a toss about the upload, as long as it's sufficient to provide 50mbit.

If I wanted a bloody good upload I'd find a service which provides it, ok?

Not everyone is like you, so to say that we're being ripped off is a tad pathetic imo.

Oh and where's the proof of STM on launch?

TraxData 06-06-2008 14:02
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 34569280)
I don't give a toss about the upload, as long as it's sufficient to provide 50mbit.

If I wanted a bloody good upload I'd find a service which provides it, ok?

Not everyone is like you, so to say that we're being ripped off is a tad pathetic imo.
Well, VM love customers like you.

50Mbit is going to be a premium product aimed at people who liked to download alot of stuff and at high speed.

Those people also like to upload at high speed, yes you are being ripped off, let's see if your still spouting the same if you wish to use legal p2p services in the future (they require you to keep a fair ratio as well you know) and it takes you 15 hours to upload the amount you've downloaded.

So you think its fair and good to download something in 1 hour but take 20 hours to upload the same amount of data back? :confused:

I think you fail to see just how important upload speeds are.

Robertus 06-06-2008 14:03
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
No, I do not like to upload at high speeds, but yes of course I like to download.

I don't really use any P2P systems thanks :)

Infact, I only go as far as uploading a few pictures and that's it. All of my backup is offline :)

TraxData 06-06-2008 14:03
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 34569284)
No, I do not like to upload at high speeds, but yes of course I like to download.

I don't really use any P2P systems thanks :)
So your one of those who just leech leech and leech, that explains everything :)

I think you should note without people who are willing to upload you wouldnt be able to download half the stuff you can nor at the speeds you can.

Robertus 06-06-2008 14:05
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
And I actually find you quite offensive. Just because I don't have the same usage pattern as you, hahaha. I hate torrents with a passion and I *don't* use any other system :)

Cheers!

markknell 06-06-2008 14:05
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Hmmm... we're not using Ambit modems!

No limits have yet been set on the product so it will be interesting to see what happens on the launch. I agree an unreasonable limit would spoil the product but it would be nice if people made their mind up when all the details are released.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34569274)
I've seen many people complaining (on the 50mbit forum) about the fact the service cripples if you multitask (upload and download at the same time) that would be because 1.5mbit isnt enough to handle 50mbit down while uploading at the same time (thus why they are using S.ack).

It's nothing to do with the current pricing as to why VM wont offer higher upload speeds, its down to the fact they opted for the cheaper ambit modems which have no upstream bonding capability, they should of stayed with the old ones and kept the 5+mbit upload.

Upload is just as important as download and with so many legal p2p services about the people who want 50mbit will require high upload speeds.

You seriously telling me its a serious premium product for that price with low upload AND STM upon launch? (10gb limit)

P.S Your right, i wont, i have 25mbit both ways for less than what VM will be charging for this.

Also have a backup Be line with 2.5mbit upload as well.

Edit : there is so much negativity about the 50mbit product because customers are sick and tired of being ripped off, and no matter which way you put it 1.5mbit upload just isnt a fair ratio and abit of a ****take to say the least.

Robertus 06-06-2008 14:07
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Don't forget Trax is in bed with Neil, so we get everything from the horses mouth.

Also because I do not use P2P or conduct any upload intensive tasks, this gives people a negative view of me as a person.

You're a cracker Trax :)

TraxData 06-06-2008 14:10
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by markknell (Post 34569294)
Hmmm... we're not using Ambit modems!

No limits have yet been set on the product so it will be interesting to see what happens on the launch. I agree an unreasonable limit would spoil the product but it would be nice if people made their mind up when all the details are released.
Ambit modems will be used upon launch.

The limits have already been set for launch, actually.

They are thinking of charging a higher price and removing STM though.

Any sort of limit would spoil the product, the whole point of a high speed connection is to be able to download files quicker.

STM doesnt make sense on 50mbit, in theory if you can download files quicker u get things quicker and thus can free bandwith up on the network.

---------- Post added at 14:08 ---------- Previous post was at 14:08 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 34569293)
And I actually find you quite offensive. Just because I don't have the same usage pattern as you, hahaha. I hate torrents with a passion and I *don't* use any other system :)

Cheers!
So why do you want 50mbit then? just to look at emails quicker? :D

---------- Post added at 14:10 ---------- Previous post was at 14:08 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 34569298)
Don't forget Trax is in bed with Neil, so we get everything from the horses mouth.

Also because I do not use P2P or conduct any upload intensive tasks, this gives people a negative view of me as a person.

You're a cracker Trax :)
Quite the opposite, i dont like neil and dont get along, it's his fault we have permanent STM and poor upload speeds on the 50mbit.

No, it doesnt give anyone a negative view of you, it's just a matter of pointing out that because you dont give a flying *aherm* about upload speeds you obviously fail to see how important it is to have *good* upload speeds on such a premium product.

Robertus 06-06-2008 14:10
Re: Virginmedia on bbc this morning
 
So Usenet is void now is it?

:)

And to be honest with systems such as Fileplanet/Gamershell/Steam there's an awful lot of legitimate stuff to download :)

No..I don't fail to see it. But at the same time I don't need an amazing upload, so it doesn't bother me. I'm happy with a nice download.

Of course I see that it's the top tier and should be restriction free/5mbit+ upload etc etc...


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