Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34510770)

Whilst I agree that abortion should not be seen as an alternative to contraception, nothing in the article quoted supports your first sentence.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34510893)

Then he will be out of the picture and all the potential is there

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34510870)

well I know for a fact they still terminate after a foetus is viable. A friend of my ex wife gave birth at 22 weeks and the child survived at that time they still terminated at 24 weeks. I do not know if thats still the case

Originally Posted by http://www.tommys.org/media/statistics/key-statistics/premature-birth-statistics.htm

Survival rates

Babies born at 23 weeks have a 17% chance of survival

Babies born at 24 weeks have a 39% chance of survival

Babies born at 25 weeks have a 50% chance of survival

From 32 weeks onwards, most babies are able to survive with the help of medical Technology [EPICure data]

Outcomes

1 in 10 premature babies will develop a permanent disability such as lung disease, cerebral palsy, blindness or deafness.

50% of premature babies born before the 26th week of gestation are disabled, a quarter severely so. (Fowler GA. Preemie problems: the sobering statistics. US News World Reports 2000; vol 129: pp56).

Of children born before 26 weeks' gestation, results in 241 of the surviving children at six years (early school age) indicate a high level of disability as follows:

* 22% severe disability (defined as cerebral palsy but not walking, low cognitive scores, blindness, profound deafness)
* 24% moderate disability (defined as cerebral palsy but walking, IQ/cognitive scores in the special needs range, lesser degree of visual or hearing impairment)
* 34% mild disability (defined as low IQ/cognitive score, squint, requiring glasses)
* 20% no problems

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34510905)

Hell man least it will be a few quid that isnt going from your taxes to funding warfare

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34510785)

Exactly, the pill, condoms, coil, injection, implant, even vasectomies can still result in pregnancies.

Interesting how the BBC portrayed the statistics regarding the 54 with 8 or more, rather than stating, as suggested by the quote, that 33 were over 30 years old (ie the majority), they try to put it into the reader's mind the idea that they're being used through recklessness by suggesting youngsters are using it so often, leaving the reader (who's generally lazy) to do the maths.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34510922)

and this:

http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/comm65.asp

"Nevertheless, today abortion is an essential method of family planning and should be accepted it as such."

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34510908)

Lets conveniently ignore the following shall we? While we're feeling righteous and using a single case of 22 weeks to show how awful 24 weeks is...



Tommy's, that well known pro-abortion organisation.

If your ex-wife's friend's baby is perfectly healthy, then fantastic, she managed to beat the odds, just don't try using her as an argument to suggest that because her baby was ok at 22 weeks, most babies will be.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34510824)

I will get flamed for this but I personally think abortion for any other reason than severe handicapped is tantamount to murder . Abortion for choice imo is just wrong .

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34510971)

by your own statistics then I put you that some babies are aborted that with the correct medical care could have survived but are left to die .... MURDER

17 out of every 100 abortions performed at 23 weeks could have survived .... MURDER
39 out of every 100 abortions performed at 24 weeks could have survived .... MURDER

Possibly 10 % estimated at your statistics would have suffered no disability so thats 4 or 5 out of every 200 abortions performed at 23 or 24 weeks would have survived with no problems tell me thats not MURDER

Tell me this if I was to kill you just 1 person with no physical or mental problem (apart from acute left wing disease ;)) could I possibly get away without a MURDER charge????

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34511091)

Have you been involved in abortion? if so is your conscience clear or does it not plague you some nights do you never wake up in a cold sweat thinking about holding that baby nurturing her/him seeing it grow develop its first steps first words??? all quashed cuz maybe you or your partner thought " im not ready"??

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34511105)

what a crock mate well you obviously made your choice between you well done

BTW I have not had a partner for over a year and sperm does not live that long so your little analogy is cow poop. You obvious dipped your wick whether you were one of the unlucky 1% or you didnt take precautions you obviously wasn't "ready" to take responsibility for your actions and decided to just flush it