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Bill C 23-06-2007 13:15

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34334445)
I suppose we should be grateful that the "lock'em up and throw away the key" gang aren't in control of the country - think about how much cash would be given out then.

so are you one of the "Let them out and compensate them gang then" ? Me i want to see someone who has been sent to jail for a reason do his or her sentence and not be released early with a compensation payment which is what this in my opinion.

If we did not spend as much on killing brown people with Oil we might be able to build the jails we need.

TheDaddy 23-06-2007 13:25

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Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34334459)
so are you one of the "Let them out and compensate them gang then" ? Me i want to see someone who has been sent to jail for a reason do his or her sentence and not be released early with a compensation payment which is what this in my opinion.

If we did not spend as much on killing brown people with Oil we might be able to build the jails we need.

So when a prisoner is released on time and goes and signs on, is that compensation as well, perhaps if the Labour government hadn't been banging more and more people up for crimes that never used to be considered worthy of a custodial sentence, without building more prisons, we wouldn't be in this mess but considering the exact same thing happened under a conservative government I wouldn't be so sure

Russ 23-06-2007 13:42

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Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34334459)
so are you one of the "Let them out and compensate them gang then" ?

No, I'm one of the "locking them up doesn't always work" gang.

Damien 23-06-2007 13:52

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You should avoid Jail is as many cases as possible where the person is not a danger to the public. A jail sentence is a place were you meet other criminals and get your future propects cut, both of which can lead to more crime as well as being expensive to the country.

Osem 24-06-2007 20:23

Re: Payouts for early-release prisoners
 
FGS! In another thread

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...-absconds.html

I alluded to Bliar's get out of jail free card. Well now it seems it's get out of jail free and have have some taxpayers cash too! :mad:

homealone 24-06-2007 20:40

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it could be funded by charging innocent prisoners for board & lodge when they are pardoned ....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1517215.ece

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Ramrod 24-06-2007 20:44

Re: Payouts for early-release prisoners
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34334342)

Calling it 'compensation' sounds like a cheap tabloid headline to me, what are prisoners expected to live on upon release, lets give them a chance to sort their lives out and if they screw it up they have no one to blame but themselves

So we should pay them once they are let out? They screwed up once already, thats why they were in jail!......and we should pay them for that?!:erm:

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34334437)
Are people objecting to early release prisoners being given an alternative to crime?

I'm objecting to prisoners being paid to not be in jail! What is this? Christmas?!

TheDaddy 24-06-2007 21:08

Re: Payouts for early-release prisoners
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 34335763)
So we should pay them once they are let out? They screwed up once already, thats why they were in jail!......and we should pay them for that?!:erm:

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I'm objecting to prisoners being paid to not be in jail! What is this? Christmas?!

No we should pay them because they aren't entitled to social security, personally I don't want them turning up in court trying to excuse re offending due to being released from prison with no means to support themselves

Ramrod 24-06-2007 21:12

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34335794)
No we should pay them because they aren't entitled to social security, personally I don't want them turning up in court with excuses

Are ex prisoners not entitled to the doll? I didn't know that :erm:
Thats terrible! How the hell are they meant to support themselves till they get a job?! :confused:

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Originally Posted by homealone (Post 34335759)
it could be funded by charging innocent prisoners for board & lodge when they are pardoned ....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1517215.ece

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Three men who spent years in jail because of miscarriages of justice must pay “living expenses” for the time they spent behind bars, the law lords ruled yesterday.

By four to one, the judges decided that, although the men were wrongfully jailed, they must forgo 25 per cent of their compensation.
Thats f*cked up!! :erm::mad::(

homealone 24-06-2007 21:43

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 34335797)

Thats f*cked up!! :erm::mad::(

they made the mistake of being innocent - whereas if you are not only guilty, but an heroin addict, as well, you can get compensation for not being provided with drugs ...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

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Something is wrong with our criminal 'justice' system & I think we should be seriously looking at using prison only as a last resort, for people who need to be segregated because they are a danger to society. Not so they can be 'punished'.

In the meantime, some kind of workable community based solution will need to be established, as imo it is better to deal with the problem at its source - for example, if the attitude towards, so called 'petty' crime, like buying cheap booze & baccy & 'dodgy' DVDs was different. If people didn't turn a blind eye to stuff they pick up at pawnbrokers & boot sales, etc, etc, etc

- then maybe we could start to turn things round???

- exits singing about little fluffy clouds :dozey:

Xaccers 25-06-2007 10:29

Re: Payouts for early-release prisoners
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 34335797)
Are ex prisoners not entitled to the doll? I didn't know that :erm:
Thats terrible! How the hell are they meant to support themselves till they get a job?! :confused:

Well this lot now are getting up to £172 to cover them until they can sign on.
It shows how close most of them are to being released anyway, and probably saves money as I'm pretty sure it costs more to keep them in prison.

RizzyKing 27-06-2007 12:04

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My only concern is what sort of prisoners are being released early. We have had the bs off this government before about only "prisoners that pose no threat being released" and they then released murderers, rapists and paedophiles. Build more prisons and toughen up the justice system so that those who really belong in prison go there for the maximum time possible.

As for them being paid money because they can't claim benefit is it that hard to give them an official letter to hand in at the jobcentre. Seems another case of lazyass government to me.

Xaccers 27-06-2007 12:11

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I believe its those due to be released soon anyway, so they're not saying "Hey Killer, forget about the next 20 years you're due to serve, you can go now" :)
Course as you say, this all relies on them getting it right...


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