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SnoopZ 11-02-2007 19:45
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34219602)
But, apparently, it's much better value. :erm:
Yer right! ;)

No one in their right mind would take option 1 or 2, well maybe my Grandma but then she just uses it for email. :)

Stuart 11-02-2007 19:48
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freakfunk (Post 34218113)
Im not having a BT are morally better than ntl lol, who cares who paid for what, the point is BT have offered me 8meg for £10 a month for a year before going to 14.99. at the moment im paying £35 for dodgy 10meg cable????? I mean if you can't see the attraction of that,? NTL was always traditionally cheaper, but whats happeneing?

---------- Post added at 10:26 ---------- Previous post was at 10:24 ----------

Also i think everyone knows ADSL doesn't vary the speed the same as cable, as the amount of users on the network doesnt vary the speed? Are you aware of that? Thast what im getting at, either way its 8meg for 1/3 of the price

First, as you have been told, it's up to 8 meg. ADSL can be as dodgy as cable.

Second, the tarif you quoted has a very low cap (8 gig per month). Virgin is unlimited (well, apart from traffic shaping, but it's possible BT do that to).

Zee 11-02-2007 19:49
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34219602)
But, apparently, it's much better value. :erm:
You know if you went over like 50GB with BT unlimited you'd get a call from them, they aint as flexable as ntl are...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34219610)
First, as you have been told, it's up to 8 meg. ADSL can be as dodgy as cable.

Second, the tarif you quoted has a very low cap (8 gig per month). Virgin is unlimited (well, apart from traffic shaping, but it's possible BT do that to).
BT do traffic shape, everywhere...

... ntl only traffic shape in certain areas where the UBRs are not able to cope with the overload

Maggy 11-02-2007 20:05
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freakfunk (Post 34218113)
Im not having a BT are morally better than ntl lol, who cares who paid for what, the point is BT have offered me 8meg for £10 a month for a year before going to 14.99. at the moment im paying £35 for dodgy 10meg cable????? I mean if you can't see the attraction of that,? NTL was always traditionally cheaper, but whats happeneing?

---------- Post added at 10:26 ---------- Previous post was at 10:24 ----------

Also i think everyone knows ADSL doesn't vary the speed the same as cable, as the amount of users on the network doesnt vary the speed? Are you aware of that? Thast what im getting at, either way its 8meg for 1/3 of the price
There is one disadvantage you have overlooked..you HAVE to have a BT line..and I'm never going back to them...They can be as cheap as chips but I'm not returning to a service that I found repeatedly unreliable.:erm:

dragon 11-02-2007 22:03
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Firstly an 8mbit Sync is very hard to get and even if you DO manage it you won't get an 8mbit ip thoughput.


I live within 5 mins walking distance of my local exchange

and heres my line stats.




Connection Status Connected
Ds Rate (Kbps) 7616
Us Rate (Kbps) 448
DS Margin 14
US Margin 24
DS Line Attenuation 8
US Line Attenuation 6
Trained Modulation ADSL_G.dmt
LOS Errors 0
Peak Cell Rate 1056 cells per sec
CRC Rx Fast 0
CRC Tx Fast 0
CRC Rx Interleaved 0
CRC Tx Interleaved 5
Path Mode Interleaved


Thanks to the BRAS profile i have a 6.5mbit ip throughput maximum

awibble 12-02-2007 07:52
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
for someone thats just moved.... Bt's upto 8Mb would of givven me 512Kbps but they would still charge me for 8Mb

Chrysalis 12-02-2007 14:51
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 34219599)
God thats not very good is it. I mean those usage allowances are pants.
option 3 is also shaped and the contracts are 18 months I think.

---------- Post added at 14:51 ---------- Previous post was at 14:48 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by freakfunk (Post 34219545)
Ill See This Simply And Clear So Everyone Understands. Thy Guy Next Door Has Bt And I Installed It For Him, He Hits Just Over 8meg With His Broadband, Its Unlimited And Constant Speed Of Just Over 8meg. It Doesn't Change Or Alter The Same As Ntl, Is Also Costs £9.99 A Month And Is Unlimited - The Only Difference Was He Had To Buy His Own Modem For £14.99 At Maplin.

Ntl - 10meg £30
Bt - 8meg £10 I Meant That Difference Is Huge, It Aint Pennies?

To Make It All Worse, They Give Him 250 Minutes At Any Wifi Zone Run By Bt Or O2 Or Cloud Network For His Laptop At Internet Coffee Shops??????
I will put this simple for you again.

You order 10mbit on cable and you get upto 10mbit, every cable is capable of doing 10mbit subject to contention.

On BT and all other adsl providers you can be paying for 8mbit but if the line is no good you may only get a fraction of that as well as suffer from network dropouts.

Also please dont lie :) you were not hitting 8mbit on his connection because the maximum speed on BTs adsl service is 7.15mbit due to atm overheads. 8mbit is 960kB/sec.

handyman 12-02-2007 14:57
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by awibble (Post 34220006)
for someone thats just moved.... Bt's upto 8Mb would of givven me 512Kbps but they would still charge me for 8Mb
Which is what I have just ordered although through sky.

£17.00 per month , 40gb allowance. Wanted unlimited but will try this and see how it goes, beats the hell out of £35.00 a month for virgin.

Trouble is I'm so far away I can get 512k max. :(

Richy99 14-02-2007 15:13
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by handyman (Post 34220340)
Which is what I have just ordered although through sky.

£17.00 per month , 40gb allowance. Wanted unlimited but will try this and see how it goes, beats the hell out of £35.00 a month for virgin.

Trouble is I'm so far away I can get 512k max. :(
35 is for upto 10meg and you would get alot fast than 512 even with the VM 2meg deal which is unlimited and with phone is only £20 a month

foxtrot 22-02-2007 00:49
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
im with cable and bt but im goin to phone cable to shut down my net!! becuse for last 4 week i have been phonein cable about my net prob. first my prob start about 4 week ago when my ping was 999 for online Games for every 5 sec!! and they said they will send someone out to have a look at it. and Guys on phone said if there anythink ok with my modem i have to pay cable 75.00.so Guy came out and said my modem was fine so he Left then 1 hour after he Left my prob start again. so i phone them back up all they said was phone the games servers ? so now i have to pay 75.00 for noting? next day i phone them up again told them what prob was, i told them about 20 time already for last 4 week so they said someone out again to have a look at it. cable Guy came and said there somethink up with your Modem ?? and need New one, so Guy put me new modem and ever think was Fine but 4 day gone my prob start again. i also format my pc 5 time in 4 week, thinkin it was my pc!! but prob was there again so i got me new Pc for 699.99 see if that Work. but prob was there again. so i phone BT for 30 days test and everythink is working Fine.

Carl J 23-02-2007 22:41
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon (Post 34219740)
Firstly an 8mbit Sync is very hard to get and even if you DO manage it you won't get an 8mbit ip thoughput.


I live within 5 mins walking distance of my local exchange

and heres my line stats.

Thanks to the BRAS profile i have a 6.5mbit ip throughput maximum
You're interleaved, that's why you have that sync rate. The overheads of interleaving take a chunk. You could actually achieve 8Mbps sync comfortably.

Speak to your ISP and ask to be switched to fast path and you'll sync up at 8128kbps, providing 7.15Mbps BRAS profile.

opelfruitcase 24-02-2007 00:47
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freakfunk (Post 34217969)
Have You Noticed Bt Broadband Is Cheaper????
Are you a troll? I can't believe the crap you've come out with in this thread - I hate NTL for the way they treated me while I was working for them, but for all their faults, cable broadband or ADSL? No contest as far as I'm concerned.

mightyeye 03-03-2007 11:24
Re: Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freakfunk (Post 34217969)
Have You Noticed Bt Broadband Is Cheaper????
I agree, with NTL I was paying for up to 4meg £25 real speeds were up to 3meg and more often than not 2.5meg, and dropped connections a problem. Virgin Media broadband is expensive! Our BT broadband is up to 5meg or 6meg, never the up to 8meg, and it is sometimes up to 2meg but at least it's an offer and less than half the price of Virgin Media.

Somebody at Virgin Media needs to examine their pricing policies on all their products.

:)


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