Re: Sky Broadband
 

And?

See I dont get this arguement. Most people have a land line anyway so the line rental is not extra to them. The only extra is the £10 for the Sky BB. Before I got Be unlimited I was paying £11 for line rental for 3 years before this. I got used to paying it and therefore when I ordered my Be Unlimited the only extra I had to pay was £24.

I get 22mb stable and I am very happy with it. So how about stopping the line rental issue and starting a real debate rather then a cable fanboy answer.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

I think the point I (and others) are trying to make is that when people post costings to compare NTL with other ISPs, they often leave out the non-NTL line rental cost - not being a "fanboy", just trying to ensure people have all the information. Even if you were paying it before, it is still a cost to be included in the comparison.

btw, I am a reasonably content NTL customer, not a "fanboy".

Re: Sky Broadband
 

That's just it. If you go from a fully-NTL setup (TV, Broadband and Phone), you DO need to include Line rental in your calculations if you are moving to any ADSL service. NTL don't charge line rental as such, as it is built in to your DTV or BB cost. So, it isn't necessarily a cable fanboy answer.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

i have just the phone and internet with ntl, admittedly its 2 phone lines and it comes to about 65-70 quid a month, if i was to move to sky broadband and a BT line i would be saving about 20quid a month probably more depending on which BT option to take with the phone line

Re: Sky Broadband
 

to be fair I think a lot of people on adsl probably only have a line now for the adsl itself, mobiles are becoming very dominant.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

I have sky for tv & ntl/Virgin media for phone & internet.
I pay £24.99pm for 4mb BB
£24.99pm for 24 unlimited phone
Total £49.98pm.

Sky works out
Line rental £11.00pm
24 unlimited phone £5.00pm
up to 16mb BB £10.00pm
Total £26.00pm

Not much over half the price for a possible faster connection

Re: Sky Broadband
 

might be good value if you got a nice short line, if you havent you could be in for a shock.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

I have seen lines over 2km hit 12mb before.

And even longer lines only getting 7-8mb its still worth £10

Re: Sky Broadband
 

what about lines hitting under a few meg and you a heavy user?

Its £21 if you otherwise wouldnt have a phone line.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

Most people have a phoneline anyway. So the phoneline is not included into the cost.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

Still cheaper than virgins 10MB at £35 and I look at is this way:

I pay £21 for 16MB BB from sky and I get a free phone line! ;)

Re: Sky Broadband
 

They have one because they have to, most modern broadband companies go out of their way to force you to have a phoneline, anyone with adsl has to have one or they cant have adsl, ntl made me have one but I have read that some people have managed to have broadband only on that at least.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

Until we all have UPSes in our homes I think most will continue to have a landline for use in emergencys. A lot of people could replace their landlines but don't, in my case it's for ADSL and so that people don't have to fork out to phone me.

You are in the minority, and are vehemently anti-ADSL anyway due to the poor quality of your line. Hundreds of posts here and on Thinkbroadband confirm this, so you'll excuse me if I don't take what you say as gospel.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

Its not because of my phoneline, I still expect a majority would keep a phoneline but I reckon it would be less then 60% why? people now days have mobiles and have less disposable cash and line rental is one expenditure that can be saved. Assuming people would all have a phoneline anyway is wrong and I was just pointing that out.

Hundreds of posts confirm I have a poor line or confirm people would have a line regardless of adsl?

I get attacked enough by associates of BT on thinkbroadband its a very hostile forum(ones who wont confirm it but the time they put in to reply to negatives suggests it), funny enough it never happened here when I was unahppy with ntl.

Re: Sky Broadband
 

sorry to gatecrash this post, but would anyone with Sky be willing to ping+trace and IP for me? im looking for isp's with good latency to move to.

If someone is willing please pm me!