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Rik 13-01-2007 10:22
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dev (Post 34196071)
considering areas cant do 10mb
Obviously NTL can do 10 Meg, ive been getting full speed ever since the upgrade ;)

So the moral of the story is, if you want 10/20 Meg move to Hertfordshire :D

Paul H 13-01-2007 10:51
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Telewest are not doing any new speeds, so we are waiting for nothing.

Alex Brown said so

>2 Questions
>
>1. Can anyone tell us IF and When Tw / NTL plan to release info on 20mb.?
>
>2. And will this be a free upgrade or a Fixed Fee ?

At this point there are no plans to make any changes to our access
speeds. If this changes at any point in the future it will be
communicated via the usual channels.

Bill C 13-01-2007 12:32
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul H (Post 34196938)
Telewest are not doing any new speeds, so we are waiting for nothing.

Alex Brown said so

>2 Questions
>
>1. Can anyone tell us IF and When Tw / NTL plan to release info on 20mb.?
>
>2. And will this be a free upgrade or a Fixed Fee ?

At this point there are no plans to make any changes to our access
speeds. If this changes at any point in the future it will be
communicated via the usual channels.
Thats what i have been hearing since the testing of 20 meg finished.

Paul H 13-01-2007 13:32
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34196978)
Thats what i have been hearing since the testing of 20 meg finished.

What's the bets that they know the network can't cope from the increased speeds, so they won't be increasing the speeds but the throttling will be applied to everyone instead.

Toto 13-01-2007 20:41
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Given the trials that have been going on for speeds well above 10 meg, I would assume that "Alex Brown" is not giving anything away.

The term "no plans" is like the widely used statement by football club owners who have "full confidence" in their manager, weeks before they show him the door. :)

---------- Post added at 20:41 ---------- Previous post was at 20:41 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul H (Post 34197012)
What's the bets that they know the network can't cope from the increased speeds, so they won't be increasing the speeds but the throttling will be applied to everyone instead.
I'll take that bet, assuming you mean ntl/Telewest will NOT be increasing speeds?

And don't think for one minute that the likes of Sky et al will not attempt some sort of traffic shaping in the very near future, if they can attract bandwidth hungry customers on to their network, they will have little or no choice but to filter those bad boys who are leaching it off everyone else.

Bill C 13-01-2007 21:35
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34197272)
Given the trials that have been going on for speeds well above 10 meg, I would assume that "Alex Brown" is not giving anything away.

The term "no plans" is like the widely used statement by football club owners who have "full confidence" in their manager, weeks before they show him the door. :)

---------- Post added at 20:41 ---------- Previous post was at 20:41 ----------



I'll take that bet, assuming you mean ntl/Telewest will NOT be increasing speeds?

And don't think for one minute that the likes of Sky et al will not attempt some sort of traffic shaping in the very near future, if they can attract bandwidth hungry customers on to their network, they will have little or no choice but to filter those bad boys who are leaching it off everyone else.
Its so easy to implement a bad boys pipe with adsl. Just ask anyone on Tiscalie that has exceeded there AUP more than once ;). Also as $ky are using UKonline's DSLAMS then they can traffic shape as soon as they want to as UKONLINE has been traffic shaping its customers for the last year.

salem 13-01-2007 21:56
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197301)
Its so easy to implement a bad boys pipe with adsl. Just ask anyone on Tiscalie that has exceeded there AUP more than once ;). Also as $ky are using UKonline's DSLAMS then they can traffic shape as soon as they want to as UKONLINE has been traffic shaping its customers for the last year.
Sky bb Max 16 Mb will still be better than Ntl 10 Mb, they both shape but sky is £17 a month cheaper and even if sky's contention ratio it high it will STILL be faster than the UP TO 10 meg (PMSL) that i dont enjoy from ntl:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

S

Bill C 13-01-2007 22:00
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salem (Post 34197315)
Sky bb Max 16 Mb will still be better than Ntl 10 Mb, they both shape but sky is £17 a month cheaper and even if sky's contention ratio it high it will STILL be faster than the UP TO 10 meg (PMSL) that i dont enjoy from ntl:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

S
Then Enjoy :erm:

This is what i enjoy on a Saturday night at 10.00pm PMSL

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Toto 13-01-2007 22:01
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197301)
Its so easy to implement a bad boys pipe with adsl. Just ask anyone on Tiscalie that has exceeded there AUP more than once ;). Also as $ky are using UKonline's DSLAMS then they can traffic shape as soon as they want to as UKONLINE has been traffic shaping its customers for the last year.
Yes, as my friend on plusnet found out. :)

I think many seem to forget that the likes of ntl and Telewest have put Broadband on the map for domestic users in the UK. They have also prompted serious competition too, which is good for all, and allows posters such as Salem feel real satisfaction with his current supplier.

I still feel though that cable has something more to offer, and will do so very soon.

Zee 13-01-2007 23:09
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
When i download torrents, i always max out at 1.1MB/s whether its 8pm or 1pm - i don't get traffic shaped...

Horizon 14-01-2007 00:07
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
....yep, get full speeds here too. Unlike the tv service, ntl know how to do broadband, at least in my area.

Was on the phone to retentions yesterday and they said that the 10mb will be upgraded to 20mb soon at no additional cost. They wouldn't give me an exact date when this would happen, but the clear statement was that 20mb is coming and soon. These guys tend to know a little bit more than the main customer relations dept, so we'll see soon enough if they're correct or talking rubbish. I also asked about a 50mb service and pointed out that there are trials going on. The retentions person was aware of the trials but said he had no information when or if this would be coming to ntl. So 20mb maybe soon, 50mb not anytime soon.

Chrysalis 14-01-2007 00:18
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34196305)
People forget that NTL test a lot. Doesn't mean they will release it. I'm thinking of WiFi in London, 100 Meg in Dolphin Square and the "Turbo button" thing some members tested a while back. None have (AFAIK) gone on to launch.

I suspect that NTL will at some point launch 20 meg. I also expect them to launch 50 and 100 meg. But, they will only launch these speeds if and when they feel the market demands it. No point in launching those speeds (with all the associated network upgrade costs) if your competitors in most areas can only manage 8 meg.
Probably will depend on bts adsl2+ rollout, as you said its down to market pressure.

skynet777 14-01-2007 17:49
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34196053)
Its now the new year, and time for a new thread regarding 20Mbps ;)

So does anyone have some fresh news when we can start expecting 20Mbps? They are being really silent about this one ...
Well considering their 4mbps is unstable i'm not suprised.

Zee 14-01-2007 19:38
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
I'm happy with the service in my area, even thinking of ditching Sky+ for ntl Digital

Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:36:01 UTC

1st 512K took 281 ms = 1822.1 KB/sec, approx 15014 Kbps, 14.66 Mbps
2nd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
3rd 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
4th 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps


Overall Average Speed = approx 10984 Kbps, 10.73 Mbps

Duke 14-01-2007 20:01
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34197352)
When i download torrents, i always max out at 1.1MB/s whether its 8pm or 1pm - i don't get traffic shaped...
How the hell do you do that?
I am on 10mb ntl, but I have never gone higher than 250kbps, mostly 60-100kbps.
Tell me your secret?
Yes I have used torrents with loads of seeders etc.


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