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maverick 24-07-2005 13:36
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Lets not forget the bandwidth he is sucking away from other users on his cable.

spike7451 24-07-2005 13:45
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignition
There is a really fairly big section about running businesses on your connection though:



Along with sections about how you aren't supposed to have servers generating abnormal amounts of traffic, offering free Webmail and image hosting on your connection could certainly do this.

Also as you're completely aware you've no business sharing your connection with others, let alone reselling it, that's a big nono.

You don't get 3Mbit for less than £40 a month with various stuff in the T+Cs about how it's supposed to be suitable only for residential use, etc, so that you can resell the connectivity for web hosting and to other people in your street as your own paid for WISP.

Taking my ntl hat off for a little while I consider you no better than a common thief, you're ripping off the people in your street and you're ripping off ntl twice over, once with the dubious use of your connection to make money hosting, then again as these people could be paying ntl £9.99 and getting a proper 1Mbit service, not paying for your cable modem.

I've nothing more to say on this as previously said all the info I have has been forwarded to the relevant parties.
Trading Standards? I'm sure they would be interested in someone trading without a licence?
Spike

IanGuy 24-07-2005 14:13
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One word, Busted.

marky 24-07-2005 14:17
Re: Is this allowed?
 
If i had a 80yr old living next door to me that wanted internet i would pay for it and my kids could show them how to use it,

to many pensioners are exploited :td: :td: :td:

Toto 24-07-2005 14:24
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Above all, if they do not know what they are doing, and become compromised, YOU stand the chance of loosing your connection should the matter get reported to ntl's Internet Security Team.

simpsonsFAN 24-07-2005 14:29
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
Lets not forget the bandwidth he is sucking away from other users on his cable.
You mean the bandwith the pensioners on my street are sucking away from pensioners on the next street?;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
I am disappointed. While I am not really worried about you sharing your connection (although, as pointed out, it is againsts t&cs), ripping off pensioners is wrong.
10pounds a month for 3mbit broadband + onsite support sounds good to me. Its not ripping them off, they are achally saving alot of money over there previous dial up and for them to be able to talk to there relatives abroad on webcam is a lifeline for some of them, who are pretty badly off.

You all seam to have got the wrong end of the stick, I was not n00b bragging about how great I am and what I was doing, I was answering a question on DS!. The fact that some chav created this thread on cableforum with some grudge against me and took it out of context dosent make it my fault.

The title of this thread "Is this allowed?" Was answered in the same thread by myself on DS,
the answer is: "No."
You dont really need to be a jenius to work that out. So I dont really see the point in this thread's original question was anyway:confused:. Why ask a question that has already been answered. [Admin Edit(Mick):-Offensive comments Removed].

I will repeat what I said on digitalspy:
"To be honest, most residential ISPs forbid sharing of internet connections with other properties in there T&Cs. But the reality is that they couldent care less."
-Chris

Paul K 24-07-2005 14:32
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN
Big snip
-Chris
So I take it you are about to state that you do not allow people to use your NTL BB service for a monthly cost? That you would never think of using a wire/ wireless router to share the connection at a fixed monthly cost to multiple people and that you in no way shape or form advocate theft of service.

simpsonsFAN 24-07-2005 14:51
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
So I take it you are about to state that you do not allow people to use your NTL BB service for a monthly cost? That you would never think of using a wire/ wireless router to share the connection at a fixed monthly cost to multiple people and that you in no way shape or form advocate theft of service.
No. The point is that I dident say it as a "n00b cable fanboy" as the original poster keeps telling me. Someone asked (loosly):

guy on DS: "How much do you rent your broadband out to your neibours for? because I want to know how much to charge them?"

I reply: "10pounds /month"

I then get a whole load of abuse, people trying to report me and someone trying to get my home address from my domain name! I humbly ask "when will it end?".

Seriously, I am not doing any harm to anyone, but this persistant stalker is intent on not just "telling tales" as it were (I still defend that no one gives a toss about it), but also insulting me in broad forum daylight and on msn:disturbd:.
Little help here mods?:angel:

Anyway, I will leave you all to debate weither I am imorrially ripping off pensioners or just breaking ntl t&cs (perhaps you should start a poll).

-Chris
(I would then follow this with a whole load of abuse, but I carnt be bothered with it.)

Paul K 24-07-2005 14:54
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN
Anyway, I will leave you all to debate weither I am imorrially ripping off pensioners or just breaking ntl t&cs (perhaps you should start a poll).

-Chris
(I would then follow this with a whole load of abuse, but I carnt be bothered with it.)
So if you aren't going to deny it I take it you are confirming that you are providing people with Internet access through your residential NTL service for a monthly fee?

maverick 24-07-2005 14:58
Re: Is this allowed?
 
You mean the bandwith the pensioners on my street are sucking away from pensioners on the next street?;)

No I mean the bandwidth your personally sucking away from the up and downstream cable that you share with other legitimate users who pay for their own service.No doubt these are people who call NTL every evening because their connection goes down or slows to a halt.

simpsonsFAN 24-07-2005 14:59
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
So if you aren't going to deny it I take it you are confirming that you are providing people with Internet access through your residential NTL service for a monthly fee?
I confirmed it when I said I was doing it on DS! What are you talking about?

Have you even read the thread on DS?

Quote:
Originally Posted by maveric
No I mean the bandwidth your personally sucking away from the up and downstream cable that you share with other legitimate users who pay for their own service.No doubt these are people who call NTL every evening because their connection goes down or slows to a halt.
If NTL cannot provide enough bandwith to other users of there service then they should never have advertised my ntl connections as "3mbit" in the first place if they cannot provide that to all there paying customours for that. Anyway thats irrelevent, I know I am not "affecting network performance" because I know that no one else on my street has NTL broadband.
-Chris

maverick 24-07-2005 15:03
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN
I confirmed it when I said I was doing it on DS! What are you talking about?

Have you even read the thread on DS?
-Chris

Because your bragging about it I would expect NTL aup to make sure you are removed from the network.

simpsonsFAN 24-07-2005 15:05
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
Because your bragging about it I would expect NTL aup to make sure you are removed from the network.
You see im not bragging about it! People are just asking me to confirm it and I keep confirming it, but no one seams to achally read my posts before replying.
-Chris

Paul K 24-07-2005 15:06
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN
Anyway thats irrelevent, I know I am not "affecting network performance" because I know that no one else on my street has NTL broadband
-Chris
That's funny, you stated and confirmed that you are providing NTL BB to some of your neighbours. If they want a BB connection then they should contact NTL or another provider, at least that way they will get the full service and not just what you decree they should have.

simpsonsFAN 24-07-2005 15:11
Re: Is this allowed?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
That's funny, you stated and confirmed that you are providing NTL BB to some of your neighbours. If they want a BB connection then they should contact NTL or another provider, at least that way they will get the full service and not just what you decree they should have.
I dont force them to take my broadband, living in a quite closed community and without much knoweledge of computers they trust me to make the right decisions for them. I know for a fact that some of them cannot afford 3mbit NTL broadband at 37.99 a month. That is 455pounds a year that on a pension they dont have!
-Chris


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