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Xaccers 19-03-2005 14:56
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
The bit that makes the comparison invalid is that a Gun is designed to kill, simple as. A car is designed to transport people/goods but can also kill if used improperly. If a car was designed to kill with transportation being of secondary importance I think the comparison would hold more wieght.
But you've basically just said something which is not designed to kill actually kills more than something which is designed to kill..

ZrByte 19-03-2005 15:24
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
But you've basically just said something which is not designed to kill actually kills more than something which is designed to kill..
Yes but it could be considdered acceptable since thats not its primary function, does a gun have another function?
There is also the fact that most car accidents are caused by driver error rather than the car itself. Wich to me calls for increases in driver profficiency tests rather than the banning of cars. Though banning cars might not be a bad thing, Motorbikes would be extremely safe to use if it wasnt for cars and they are much more efficient. And deaths to people other than the rider on a motorbike are extremeley rare.

davy51 19-03-2005 15:29
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
The bit that makes the comparison invalid is that a Gun is designed to kill, simple as. A car is designed to transport people/goods but can also kill if used improperly. If a car was designed to kill with transportation being of secondary importance I think the comparison would hold more wieght.

A gun is a tool just like any other.
If you leave a power saw laying around a 6 year old could get it and cause enough harm to himself to cause death.

Guns keep people free from government takeover.
Proper training is whats nesasary not banning.

If we start by banning guns whats next the wifes steak knives

ZrByte 19-03-2005 15:46
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Originally Posted by davy51
A gun is a tool just like any other.
If you leave a power saw laying around a 6 year old could get it and cause enough harm to himself to cause death.

Guns keep people free from government takeover.
Proper training is whats nesasary not banning.

If we start by banning guns whats next the wifes steak knives
A saw is designed for cutting wood and other materials, a steak knife is designed for cutting meat. A Gun is designed for killing, dont even try and describe it as anything else.

NitroNutter 19-03-2005 16:15
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
The bit that makes the comparison invalid is that a Gun is designed to kill, simple as. A car is designed to transport people/goods but can also kill if used improperly. If a car was designed to kill with transportation being of secondary importance I think the comparison would hold more wieght.
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first off you say its quantity, now you say its the design, so how often do you change your socks ?
</endcut>didnt notice t was 2 different users :P

A gun is designed to kill, well yes, so if something is so lethal how come it causes less than one tenth the damage of something designed not to kill ?

Now we can go on to car manslaughters/murders. I'd also be willing to bet that more people get away with negligent manslaughter/murder by poor driving than there are actual accidental gun deaths. Like driving a few mph over the limit, or changing your cd and suddenly you have a 4 year old on your bonnet etc.
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
A saw is designed for cutting wood and other materials, a steak knife is designed for cutting meat. A Gun is designed for killing, dont even try and describe it as anything else.
killing yes!!
but id say it was as much a hunters tool as a weopon of war in the origins of the gun.

davy51 19-03-2005 16:58
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
A saw is designed for cutting wood and other materials, a steak knife is designed for cutting meat. A Gun is designed for killing, dont even try and describe it as anything else.

A gun has many uses other than killing try hiting a 2centimeter circle at a 100 meters and you will find it takes complete body control as well as mind.
Any tool can be useed as a weapon even the gas in your car .

the uk bans guns how many deaths by firearms are listed as happening

more than you might think and most by illegal guns owned by crooks and you have no legal way to protect your self from them

Xaccers 19-03-2005 18:02
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A gun is designed to fire bullets
Where those bullets go is up to the gun operator

ZrByte 19-03-2005 18:59
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Originally Posted by davy51
the uk bans guns how many deaths by firearms are listed as happening

more than you might think and most by illegal guns owned by crooks and you have no legal way to protect your self from them
A quite large amount of deaths from what I gather but If I remember correctly its mostly gangland related anyway So no banning or un-banning of guns will change those figures.
The type of people in this country with guns arnt really the type you can defend yourself against in that manner. If you kill one of them you will likeley live out the day but the next day you are likeley to be greated by his family and/or associates so your gonna end up dead too.
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Originally Posted by davy51
A gun has many uses other than killing try hiting a 2centimeter circle at a 100 meters and you will find it takes complete body control as well as mind.
I still dont see a use for it, seems more like using a lethal weapon for a hobby to me, still not really a good use. Can you do anything constructive with it? Can you weld with a gun? no. Can you cook a delicous meal with a gun? thought not. can you drive a family member to the airport in a gun? hmm.
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
A gun is designed to fire bullets
Where those bullets go is up to the gun operator
What constructive porpose does firing bullets at lethal velocity have?
Hunting is the only one listed so far that even comes close to a constructive porpose, and since that rarely seems to be done to eat but rather for fun I would say thats not very constructive either.

davy51 19-03-2005 20:02
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
A quite large amount of deaths from what I gather but If I remember correctly its mostly gangland related anyway So no banning or un-banning of guns will change those figures.
The type of people in this country with guns arnt really the type you can defend yourself against in that manner. If you kill one of them you will likeley live out the day but the next day you are likeley to be greated by his family and/or associates so your gonna end up dead too.
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I still dont see a use for it, seems more like using a lethal weapon for a hobby to me, still not really a good use. Can you do anything constructive with it? Can you weld with a gun? no. Can you cook a delicous meal with a gun? thought not. can you drive a family member to the airport in a gun? hmm.
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What constructive porpose does firing bullets at lethal velocity have?
Hunting is the only one listed so far that even comes close to a constructive porpose, and since that rarely seems to be done to eat but rather for fun I would say thats not very constructive either.
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If you had a gun and you saw your wife or any child being harmed and you could shoot and stop it

Would you?

In the us we can do this if need be.

And here to. You can lose your life for trying to stop the crooks but to give your life protecting another is the best you can do

ZrByte 19-03-2005 20:49
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Originally Posted by davy51
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If you had a gun and you saw your wife or any child being harmed and you could shoot and stop it

Would you?

In the us we can do this if need be.

And here to. You can lose your life for trying to stop the crooks but to give your life protecting another is the best you can do
There are other ways to stop things like this happening than to shoot someone, no matter how satisfying it would be to kill anyone trying to commit such an act it doesnt mean its the only way.
Problem is legalising guns just gives a higher probability that any 'crook' will be armed in the first place.
And yes If I had a gun and I witnessed that I would shoot them, then shoot them several more times to make sure they dont live to tell of it. But then If I wasnt armed I would still have a go at stopping them, if you need a weapon to think you are in control of any situation then I think you have innadequecy issues that maybe you should take a closer look at.

davy51 19-03-2005 21:39
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
There are other ways to stop things like this happening than to shoot someone, no matter how satisfying it would be to kill anyone trying to commit such an act it doesnt mean its the only way.
Problem is legalising guns just gives a higher probability that any 'crook' will be armed in the first place.
And yes If I had a gun and I witnessed that I would shoot them, then shoot them several more times to make sure they dont live to tell of it. But then If I wasnt armed I would still have a go at stopping them, if you need a weapon to think you are in control of any situation then I think you have innadequecy issues that maybe you should take a closer look at.

There is an old saying here
When guns are banned only crooks will have guns

Florence 19-03-2005 21:59
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Originally Posted by davy51
There is an old saying here
When guns are banned only crooks will have guns
Suppose this is almost right for here the households hardly have any but the crooks have loads.

Earl of Bronze 19-03-2005 22:14
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Originally Posted by Kits
Suppose this is almost right for here the households hardly have any but the crooks have loads.
And the people who do own legal firearms, now have a much harder time when you need to renew their firearms certificate.

I personally own two shotguns, both of which I have used to hunt wildfowl, and for Clay pidgeon Shooting. Due to new legislation, when I have to renew my firearms certificate, I have to get the landowners on whos land I shoot to each write a letter to explain why I am allower to shoot on their land.

Crazy in my opinion, but thats what the current ''facist'' New Labour government demand. :rolleyes:

Xaccers 20-03-2005 02:42
Re: When will the uS Government wake up????
 
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
What constructive porpose does firing bullets at lethal velocity have?
Hunting is the only one listed so far that even comes close to a constructive porpose, and since that rarely seems to be done to eat but rather for fun I would say thats not very constructive either.
Well, one could argue that guns brought freedom from Nazi tyranny in Europe.
Still not sure why something has to have a constructive purpose to exist though...


Changing the subject back on track (sort of)
Anyone got any ideas as to why there are so many of these incidents in the US compared to other countries which also allow gun ownership?

Electrolyte01 20-03-2005 10:46
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I have one thing to say...

What is this world coming to? :(


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