here we go more controlling here so the vatican is trying to stop gay marriages

"homophobic crusade" by the Vatican

damn right :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3108349.stm

I am sure that we discussed this exact topic on .com, at length. I think I supplied lots of medical studies and links about it at the time :dozey:

Why have we got this going again?

I think 2000+ posts on .com pretty much exhausted it and if I remember correctly in the end everyone agreed to differ.

So you're basing your beliefs on just one side of the argument without actually speaking to the people supposedly affected by it?

Just for those who seem to get a little confused - the Pope, Vatican etc means little or nothing to Christians, for they are all connected to the Catholic faith.

And yes, I'm against gay marriages but perhaps not for the reasons featured in that link. I have nothing against the people and would never give a homosexual a hard time (poor choice of words??) over the way they are, I just feel for what marriage is indended for, homosexuality is inappropriate.

Yes but some people just love imposing their views on us... :D

forgive the :notopic: but what do you think of the vaticans stance Russ? whilst i acknowlege you are not a Roman Catholic, alot of your beliefs overlap, and they are deemed to be the leading christian faith. Are they wrong, or are christinas supposed to think "homosexual unions (are) immoral, unnatural and harmful.?

Its opinions like these that make meturn awayfrom religious faiths,as they prefer to take their commandments from public opinion defined a few hundered years ago, and not relate to the world as it is today?

If homosexuality is so wrong, then by the same right its fine for us to own slaves and stone people to death? i belive those sort of things were written at the same time? (im no theologan, so cant provide exact quotes)

*edit* ANYWAY.....this is the kindasubject that will go round and round in circles...im stepping away from it ;)

For my views - see Russ - unless I contradict him and or put more info in on a bit.

Kronas

As someone interested in science, you may be interested in this site.

http://www.khouse.org/enews/2003-07-15.html

It is a site run by a Christian physicist who used to work as a military advisor to the US government. He has some interesting scientific explanations pertanant to Christianity.

The top of his site has the slogan "Bringing the world into focus through the lens of scripture."

If you study it, I think that you will begin to see the bible in a new light and see just how incredibly relavent it is today.....

no i have spoken to people about religion as well as watched various programs about it

its still religion both seem a bit similar to me

well i can accept the fact that if 2 same sex people are happy and are willing to commit let them they are not harming anyone are they ?

;)

fresh evidence and all that :) :D

Hiya Mark :)

To a point I agree with them but the Vatican's opinions over the years on this has given the impression that gays are to be "CAST UNTO THE FIRE OF HELL FROM WENCE YOU CAME!!" This to me is hypocritical - taking the Bible's true view of gays means that their sexual practise is a sin, and we ALL sin (I'm sure even the Pope has his moments!). It should be noted that it is NOT homosexuality that is frowned upon - it's homosexual activity which is negated in the Bible.

On the contrary - I feel the Bible is still relevant, only some wording needs to be updated.

Yes Levictus stated that gays should be stoned to death but that was Old Testament, and when Jesus arrived (New Testament) a lot of the old teachings were updated. Remember it was Big J who said 'Let he without sin cast the first stone'.

If you actually did some research, you'd see how wrong you are.

What if it happens so much that kids growing up believe it's the norm?

There are major differences between the Prodestant faith and the Roman Catholic faith. Yes some of them do overlap but not all of them.

Homosexual unions are not natural as nature intended man to join with woman. However, saying that I am not pro- or anti- homosexual and as such say that everyone is entitled to their own sexual feelings as long as they do not go imposing them on other people.

At my church we have a lot of people from younger generations and we have a lot of up-to-date cultures in place. Yes the Bible was wrote hundreds of years ago but many of the teachings are still valid and in the correct context today. Those that are not in the context that you are looking for are usually because of the changes in culture over the years and if you read up on it in more depth you can find out what it means and what the situation would be if it was transferred into todays culture. This then enables you to teach other people about it in a way and contaxt that they will understand.

Again in the time that this was written homosexuality was strictly forbidden. However, that was under Jewish law and Jesus came to teach that we should all love one another. Yes at this same time people has slaves and stoning was the norm but if they were to look at things like they are today in 2000 years or so then they will be saying 'What they put people in jail even if they were innocent and they had a problem with poverty?' Look at it like this. I would rather be a slave and have food and a roof over my head then be so poor that I cannot keep a home and have to beg for food. How many people have to do this these days?

No this is the kind of subject that sparks interesting debate which I would rather have than the same old boring stuff all the time where you post a problem it is fixed and no-one speaks apart from that. It also gives a chance to let people share their opinions on a subject and then you can get to know them better.

In addition to my above post, far too many Christians show intolerance towards gays....and I'm as guilty as anyone.

Some of you may remember a thread I started on .com about gay marriages. My attitude was harsh, unfriendly and certainly not becoming of a christian.

None of us are any more perfect or sin-free than the next :)

Now don't you go worrying about it Russ.

In the spirit of Christian love I forgive you :)

I am usually a little too tolerent of gays if you ask me. I will always stand up for them and defend them if they are being treated unfairly.

The good thing about Christianity is that we know that we are perfect but as long as we ask for forgiveness for our wrongs we know that we cannot have these held against us for Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins and so we are guarenteed forgiveness for them as long as we are truely repentant and seek forgiveness from God.

this is sarcasm right?

Why would it be?

actually wrong