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NitroNutter 22-06-2004 01:43
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Note bill is not late but a continuation of billing after Acknowledged cancellations, this is different to a disputed billing for poor service etc. Retrieving funds continually via this method can be seen as fraud which is not just civil but criminal.

as for you should pay then regain via the legal system as is the only legal way I suggest some more home work for the lawyer. There is at least one other LEGAL way to skin that cat.
As for mumbling in a court room, you are correct, you present them with the facts by which judgement is made.
And where did I mention I would TAKE ntl to court please read if your going comment

Marge 22-06-2004 01:53
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroNutter
And where did I mention I would TAKE ntl to court please read if your going comment
Here ??

Quote:
IF THERES ONE BLACK MARK FROM NTL there over this continued billing NTL will be facing a big suit over and above the charges the court WILL make to them.

NitroNutter 22-06-2004 02:00
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroNUtter
Iv tried to get thru but as usuall its engaged. Im not gonna try no more NTL can kiss it in court when they take it there as they will cause they are big enough a fool company to do so. And before I go to the courtroom I will definatly be getting my credit references from the regular places. IF THERES ONE BLACK MARK FROM NTL there over this continued billing NTL will be facing a big suit over and above the charges the court WILL make to them.
Please quote the whole paragraph ^^^ not just the bit that suits ;)

poolking 22-06-2004 08:02
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroNutter
Please quote the whole paragraph ^^^ not just the bit that suits ;)
Erm,
All Debsy is doing is pointing out the part where you said that you would take NTL to court, so she isn't quoting you out of context at all.

The rest of the paragraph is irrelevant to what she is pointing out to you.

NitroNutter 22-06-2004 10:03
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by poolking
Erm,
All Debsy is doing is pointing out the part where you said that you would take NTL to court, so she isn't quoting you out of context at all.

The rest of the paragraph is irrelevant to what she is pointing out to you.
Pointing something out or asking a Q note her ?'s. Seems to me Debsy wasnt sure.

The whole paragraph is most definately relevant unless you wish to MISCONSTRUE the context of a final sentence, but then thats up to the end user. But doing so, and commenting on then expect to be corrected.
Ever hear of chinese whispers.

Anyway in the first 3 posts on this thread i have the result it can be sorted which I gracefully accepted if I need it, currently an NTL supervisor is dealing with the whole account mess so I hope I dont have to resort to calling upon Orangebirds most generous offer.
Remember its not me in a mess but NTL's billing.

seaneeboy 22-06-2004 10:38
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
**Applause** Muchos green pointage to you MarkB!

leeswin 22-06-2004 10:39
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
NTL is the only company I truly worry about when dealing with bills, and credit rating.

The bills are often late or incorrect, then on the off chance they are right they manage to "loose" the payments and then try to say you never made them - this cant continue!

I narrowly avoided ntl putting me on to balifss last year beause the payment had "disapeard" from there system, then the magic payment faires foudn it. I had the bank statment to proove the money had been taken and they still didnt believe me!!!!

Stuart 22-06-2004 13:41
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroNutter
Please quote the whole paragraph ^^^ not just the bit that suits ;)
Generally, afaiK, if you are talking about filing a suit against NTL, you would not be able to do that if they are taking you to court. You would have to take them to court to file it.

Basically, you would have to sue them for libel (I think) after the case.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroNutter
Iv tried to get thru but as usuall its engaged. Im not gonna try no more NTL can kiss it in court when they take it there as they will cause they are big enough a fool company to do so. And before I go to the courtroom I will definatly be getting my credit references from the regular places. IF THERES ONE BLACK MARK FROM NTL there over this continued billing NTL will be facing a big suit over and above the charges the court WILL make to them.

cookie_365 22-06-2004 20:06
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroNutter
Note bill is not late but a continuation of billing after Acknowledged cancellations, this is different to a disputed billing for poor service etc. Retrieving funds continually via this method can be seen as fraud which is not just civil but criminal.

as for you should pay then regain via the legal system as is the only legal way I suggest some more home work for the lawyer. There is at least one other LEGAL way to skin that cat.
As for mumbling in a court room, you are correct, you present them with the facts by which judgement is made.
And where did I mention I would TAKE ntl to court please read if your going comment
Nitronutter, no disrespect intended; from what you say NTL are giving you the runaround and you obviously feel very angry about it but you clearly have no idea how the civil courts work in this country. You're not clued up on who issues what proceedings, etc, and afaik no one has ever succeeded in a libel action against a company for providing incorrect information to credit reference agencies.

Instead of opening out the argument to all kinds of peripheral moans which they'll easily be able to dodge behind, narrow it down to a simple 'I don't owe this money because X, Y, Z'. The more points you argue, the easier it is to lose sight of the facts that form the essence of your case. The District Judge'll love you for it - assuming of course that you're in the right.

BBKing 22-06-2004 23:33
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
How can you have Chinese Whispers in ASCII?

Puzzled of Middlesex.

arcamalpha2004 25-06-2004 22:36
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
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Originally Posted by Mark B
I have got to say I am amused by all the 'lawyers' in this thread telling us all who they are going to sue, and why and how, and how they are going to win. It's clear from the posts that nobody in here has the slightest inclination how the small claims court works. You don't just walk in there, mumble something about ntl and credit ratings, and walk out with a wad of cash.

First of all, if you've EVER paid a bill late, be it with ntl or a host of other companies, that is recorded on your file. It doesn't matter how legitimate a claim you think you have, that's how it happens. There is no entitlement in law to withold payment even if something is in dispute, though most firms will allow this. Again, you can't walk into a court and claim you withheld payment because of a dispute, you will be advised beforehand that the correct procedure is to pay it 'without prejudice' and sort the dispute afterwards. I realise that's not how most people would want it, but that's the way it works.

There are loads of formal stages to go through in the complaints escalation procedure, including the likes of OFCOM and others, before such a matter would be even considered by a court. having one or two mistakes made by a company is not grounds to dash of to court and sue....and I'd love to see the deep pockets of anyone who DOES think it works like that!

I would very much doubt a small claims court case has to go as far as OFCOM mark, if a person feels they have been short changed, there is redress through the small claims court for a small fee on behalf of the claimant, but that is paid back plus compensation if the person wins their case.
So long as the person can prove that they have tried to sort the problem with the company direct first, a case will usually be heard, and it is only a district judge who presides over it.
Last I heard, a person could claim upto £5000.0 0 , may be more now, you would have to look into it.

Nikko 26-06-2004 01:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
I would very much doubt a small claims court case has to go as far as OFCOM mark, if a person feels they have been short changed, there is redress through the small claims court for a small fee on behalf of the claimant, but that is paid back plus compensation if the person wins their case.
So long as the person can prove that they have tried to sort the problem with the company direct first, a case will usually be heard, and it is only a district judge who presides over it.
Last I heard, a person could claim upto £5000.0 0 , may be more now, you would have to look into it.
Of course if the said person loses their claim, by volition of failing to satisfy the Court as to resolution of the problem, they will have lost the small claim fee (£60) any compensation, any goodwill, and the sum of the original amount plus defendant's costs.

arcamalpha2004 26-06-2004 10:59
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikko
Of course if the said person loses their claim, by volition of failing to satisfy the Court as to resolution of the problem, they will have lost the small claim fee (£60) any compensation, any goodwill, and the sum of the original amount plus defendant's costs.
Quite true, which is why a person would weigh up the sum concerned against the possible outcome.
But the majority of cases are settled out of court by companies, just make sure you claim for everything possible, telephone calls, keep records, inconvenience caused.
The staff at the local county court are in a better position to give a person an idea of their chances of a successful claim.
Each case has to be looked at on it's own merits.

andygrif 26-06-2004 15:57
Re: NTL just cant let go, if this carries on NTL is up **** with no paddle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
I would very much doubt a small claims court case has to go as far as OFCOM mark, if a person feels they have been short changed, there is redress through the small claims court for a small fee on behalf of the claimant, but that is paid back plus compensation if the person wins their case.
So long as the person can prove that they have tried to sort the problem with the company direct first, a case will usually be heard, and it is only a district judge who presides over it.
Last I heard, a person could claim upto £5000.0 0 , may be more now, you would have to look into it.
The small claim's court is only applicable where there is a payment disputed. You can't sue someone for slander or libel in the small claim's court.

Even if someone did take a company to the crown court and sue for slander (more likely to be defamation actually) they would have to demonstrate actual losses. There are going to be very few monetary losses becuase your name is on a 'blacklist'. Upon recieving your credit reference files, if there is a item in dispute then there is a highly effective resolution process in place with all the reference agencies to ensure that your credit scoring is not affected.

cookie_365 26-06-2004 22:25
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Originally Posted by andygrif
The small claim's court is only applicable where there is a payment disputed. You can't sue someone for slander or libel in the small claim's court.

Even if someone did take a company to the crown court and sue for slander (more likely to be defamation actually)
Not a lawyer, but as far as I know you can only sue for libel/slander in the Queens Bench Division of the High Court & the fee for issuing proceedings is about £500+.


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