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Originally Posted by dr wadd
When I first started watching B5 it was "so obvious" to me that the Centauri were going to be the bumbling comic relief and the Narn the bad guys in "evil" looking makeup. The gradual revelation of who these two races really were threw every Star Trek cliche out of the window. Sad to say *I* was one of those Trekkies. I soon learned not to take anything in the show at face value.
B5 has since become by far my favourite TV show of all time. Sorry Defiant, I`m as big a Trek nerd as they come, but it can`t hold a candle to B5.
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Its so true, in B5 nothing is clear cut. In most SciFi you are given basic ground rules, these are the bad guys, we are the good guys etc, but B5 has this whole grey area. This really works for the storyline, like towards the end of the shadow war when you find what the shadows true goal was (sure they went about it the wrong way, but where they really bad??), and when the super good guys (The Vorlons) decided to go on a rampage destroying entire planets because one of them was killed and as such they became far more evil then the shadows.
Was it ever explained what Kosh was? was he the leader of the Vorlons? all it took was the word of Kosh for the Vorlon fleet to openly attack the shadows, and all it took was his death for the Vorlons to loose thier sanity (Just like when the minbari attacked the humans).
As for my favorite SciFi im torn between B5 and Stargate SG-1.
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Originally Posted by dr wadd
B5 best villain - Has to be Bester, no doubt about it. The Shadows you can`t really cast as the villains, I don`t think, as that was simply what they were. I thought Bester had great depth to him, and while he was an objectional little sod, he wasn`t quite totally evil and at times you could almost sympathise with him, all the stuff with Carolyne Sykes for example.
Best B5 Good Guy - G'Kar by a long mile. Sure, he didn`t start off as the nicest of characters, but his gradual evolution into an incredibly noble figure made his eventual siding with the forces of light that much better.
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Now those are two I really hadnt thought of, you gotta love G'Kar (especially when he gets drunk in the king arthur episode 'a late delivery from avalon' )
Bester is far too weasily for me to rank as No1 bad guy but hes certainly in the top 3, especially after what he does to garibaldi.
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Originally Posted by Graham
Again, agreed. "Messages from Earth", "Severed Dreams" and "Point of No Return" are three of the most powerful episodes with their own mini-arc that *really* drive home the point that there is just *no way back* for the B5 crew. I also loved the Series 3 intro monologue:
"Babylon 5 was our last, best hope for peace.
"It failed".
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couldnt agree more :)
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Hmm, not so sure here, after all, the Vorlons weren't so good after all, even though Kosh ended up more helping the good guys.
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Kosh himself was never like his replacement though, he seemed gentler, as I said above I think he may have been thier leader or at least one of the oldest of the vorlons.
I awlays had a feeling they where going to elaborate on this slightly, the vorlon that replaced kosh is clearly the same vorlon that is with Kosh in Dukats quarters in the movie 'In The Beggining' I was wondering if maybe there are two sides to a vorlon (A dark and a light) and the Kosh on B5 was the light side, wich kept them in balance, when the light was killed all that was left was the dark side wich is why the new Vorlon was kinda crazy. (just an idea but I would have liked to have seen some more insight into why the new vorlon was so mad)
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For me in B5 it's Marcus Cole, he was just *sooo* cool!
Disappearing on B4 and then popping up saying "well, that would be the most inconvenient time for us to be captured, so it was most likely to happen" :D
And I loved the Minbari fighting pike!
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I did like Marcus, but he was never a favourite of mine, the charactor itself wasnt the problem its that at times he was too English to be English, reflecting the typical stereotype Americans seem to have of us (dont get me wrong I think hes cool, Its just some of the things he said could make me shudder, not because of what he said but because of how he said them).
And finally a quote any B5'er worth thier metal will know "Sweedish meatballs" :D
EDIT: Ive reconsiddered my favorite SciFi baddie, it has to be Apophis from SG-1, that guy is like a cockroach, no matter what they do he always seems to come back, it really wouldnt supprise me if he was the new badguy for S8 (that is assuming Anubis is actually dead himself)
