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Yes but most worthy in who's opinion? My view would be that the most worthy should at the very minimum be a believer. Would the Arsenal Supporter's Club allow a Manc fan on the committee?

Exactly, they are not going to be voted in, a good idea IMO. There's nothing wrong with them being part of the group if they so desire, but to be in a position of authority and not believe in the aims of the group.....no, I can't agree with that.

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They are stopping them becoming members because a member could potentially be voted into a leader ship role.
I can see why though, as christians they aren't happy about non-christians getting included, after all, isn't that what the religion is all about?
I just think it's wrong. If they are so scared that the other members would vote for someone who would be unable to lead well, then they really need to look at what's wrong with themselves, or the other members who they have no confidence in.
Still intreagues me as to how come it's the christians kicking up such a fuss about this when the other religious groups don't have a problem with it!

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I'm very surprised to hear that kind of thing come from you.

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I cannot see their issue as anything other than paranoia about what non-believers are actually like.
As an athiest I have been treated worse than a satanist would (at least they believe god exists!) by some christians because of this bizarre idea that we want to corrupt everyone and lead you all astray.
If I were part of an athiest group I would have no problem voting for a religious believer as leader if I thought they were the best person for the job.
If I didn, I simply wouldn't vote for them.
I certainly wouldn't exclude believers from the group.

Put it like this russ, lets say you due to other commitments couldn't spare the time to be leader, and all the other christians in the group were halfwits and nincompoops who couldn't organise a baptism in a chapel, and there was one non-christian who you knew was fair, and respectful, and sensible and had great leadership skills and wouldn't organise brothel nights, would you really vote for a nincompoop over her?

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I simply would not vote a non-believer in. Tell me this, why are there no Labour MPs in the Conservative Committee?

And putting yourself in the opposite position of being in an athiest group is a non-starter as Christians and non-believers view each other differently.

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On what grounds? Simply because they weren't a believer? Why? Expand on that reason.

As for Labour on a conservative committee, that's normally to stop the labour party nicking the tory's top ideas, but as a christian, don't you want non-believers to nick your ideas? :)

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i think having a non believer in there would make for some very interesting philosophical debates! could be fun!! :D

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Is this a wind-up? I can't believe I need to explain this!

In a Christian movement, the basis of the whole status quo is belief. Faith. In an organisation which is based around that (such as a Christian Student Union) the leadership is expected to lead by example. It would be hypocritical for one of their committee to, for example, organise a evengelical day on campus if they themselves did not believe.

I've got to say Xac, my respect for you is rapidly flowing down the drain if that's the best you can offer.... :)

But why would a Christian Union need to have philosophical debates which in all likelihood cause in-fighting and friction? If people want to debate philosophy then fine, go do it in a collective geared up for that sort of thing! A Christian Union is there to promote Christianity, not other systems of belief.

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Personally, i am not sure if i believe in the Christian teachings, i look at a lot of things from a scientific point of view, and this is often incompatible with the Christian teachings.

If i had an opportunity to debate these matters (in a mature and responsible way *not fighting*) then it may make me more keen to believe Christian teachings.

I enjoy religious debate, and i don't see what harm this would do. As far as i know, one of the Christian aims is to spread the religion, if non-Christians are not allowed to join a society they obviously have some interest in if they apply to, then how will the religion spread?? If non Christians were accepted they may convert to Christianity, and surely this would be a good thing! Keep the Christian ethos, but allow anyone to get involved, if people don't like it, they will just leave, and if they do like it they may be more keen on Christianity!

(btw that was all IMHO!! :pp)

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You don't need to join a CU to debate Christianity.

I'm sure the members will be only too pleased to discuss anything you want but I don't see why people need to join before being able to debate.

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Fair point, but would you block their membership simply because they would be able to run for leadership?


Well its true tho, labour nicks all the tory's best ideas and ruins them

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I wouldn't really care if they were in the union (although why they'd be part of it I don't know) but I certainly would not be in favour of them holding any position of leadership.

OK, moving away from the political example, why are there no Cardiff fans in the Swansea Supporter's Association?

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i actually agree with russ. I think that in a CU, someone whom is christian should lead the group. You wouldn't expect a non-believer to be a vicar/priest/elder of a church would you? why because the leader of a church is there to guide and teach people along their spiritual walk. Having a non-christian as a leader of a CU is similar. Cu's are a very basic form of church, it involves teaching and guiding of the populace of the group. I would be wary of attending a Cu which was run by a non-beliver....

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Because they don't like each other?

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