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Its only so close because of the re-starts that NASCAR have, for example in that race you mentioned, the last restart took place on lap 302 of 334!

If F1 brought the pace car out all the time to bunch the cars up it would be a lot closer too.

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I would like to see F1 covered by a channel that covered every minute of every warm up session, qualifying session and race with no adverts during the race. Ideally with a Sky Sports type coverage with multiple streams available so you could watch your selection from the various struggles going on through the field.

What is wrong with people who want the best driver in the best car to step down. If it was a British driver in the same position would they still feel the same? Should we get Manchester United and Arsenal to stop playing football and take up origami tournaments in order to make the Premiership more competitive, not forgetting Celtic and Rangers who could join them and give other Scottish teams achance.

I was quite impressed with the live timing screens on www.formula1.com during the race which gave sector by sector and lap times for all the cars.

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Yes, I would. :)

No, because it's never a forgone conclusion in the Premier League who's going to win until the last few fixtures.... This season has been an excellent example of that.

That is one I would happily forget, as it always is a forgone conclusion. I think both those teams should join the premiership.... that would make it interesting...

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Nnnnnoooooooo - you just weren't listening to Norbert, were you? It was the gearbox, hydraulics, oil, or something Mika had for lunch. Nothing to do with the engine whatsoever, nothing, honestly ......

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move to germany, they have coverage there, though i think its ppv. What we have is a lame excuse for tv which doesnt help viewing problems with muppets such as james allen. Check out the latest sniff petrol for a laugh about him
On a side note the live timing screen is quite good, its been around for a while now (over a year) though it crashed round about lap40 and was abit messed up for the next 5 laps, just when we wanted it to see how button was doing !

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IIRC, he has consistantly won (or done well) whatever car he has driven. Even if that car is considered inferior to one of the competitors.

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34 laps was about 50miles i guess the Ferraris could have had at least half a lap lead in that time. Funnily enough there were peirods in that race of 120+ laps without caution and still the gap between 1st and 5th was only a couple of seconds.

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Then why do they need to bring the pace car out to carry out restarts?

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Better than high speed driving around a roundabout...!

Quote: "Sadler averaged 138.845 mph in the race slowed by seven caution periods that took 45 laps."

So you have a "race" where almost a *third* of it is spend crawling around under caution flags. Of course that does give them plenty of time to put adverts into the programme, but it would be cynical to suggest that there is a connection. I mean imagine interrupting a football game for commercials...

... oh, hang on, they *do* that in US football...!!

And, if you missed the Bahrain Grand Prix, you actually missed some incredibly exciting driving.

I think the Bahrain course is one of the best ones ever, there are at least three good passing places, a couple of long straights that allow good drivers in under-powered cars to slipstream their faster competitors and gain an advantage and some challenging and well designed corners to test the drivers' skills and abilities.

I hope this course is used for many years to come.

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yes i enjoyed it as well :tu:

Threat to slow cars down b4 eos
 

European GP ticket prices cut by 50% to increase spectators
 

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Montoya has just put in a fantastic lap in Saturday pre qualifying, over half a second faster than Ralf with Michael third and Jenson fourth.

EDIT. Pre qualifying has just finished with Coulthard nipping in front of Jenson but Raikkonen is over half a second slower than David.

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j button :clap: :nworthy: :clap: :nworthy: :clap: :nworthy: :clap: , nuff said :tu:

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Major rule changes are agreed, long overdue IMHO.

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agreed, especially the electronic driver aids & all on the same tyres.:)

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i like the new changes as well but can't understand why refueling will remain.. they wantto get back driver skill and make sure there is overtaking on the track so why bring in a false and dangerous element like refuling.. How many times has a driver said "i couldn't pass so waited for the stops" what if there were no stops.. i don't want to see the team who did a better calculation on a spreadsheet winning a race but the driver who raced the best on the day.. if there was no refueling as well then the single tyre supplier could then produce a hard tyre that would last a whole race.. this would slow the cars down and if it was really hard then sliding the car wouldn't affect the cars as much as it does now..

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valid point i reckon :tu: , i still fear though , it is still going to be the richer teams that can afford more in r&d that will win , maybe if there was a cap on the amount of money that teams could spend then the opportunity for the smaller teams would be greater , or is that sanitising it too far :confused:

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yes i think you could be right about that.. any change always plays into the bigger teams hands.. If this is going to happen in 06 then Williams, McLaren and Ferrari will be starting to build a 2.4 Litre V6 already and all the other stuff that's going to come along.. Minardi and Jordan can't start doing this until much nearer the time and won't be as ready.. It's a good start though just wish Mosley would get rid of his fixaction with this chess match like strategy the teams do with refueling..

Would like to see the cars mad wider again with bigger tyres but keep the wings the same size they are now.. that way they can't complain about having less advertising space and it will give proportionally less downforce than before..

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sato , quickest , i reckon this is going to be well interesting :tu:

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If this keeps up, watching paint dry could soon be more preferable.

The new rules changes could be to little to late, if they wait another 2 years to implement them.

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i was expecting a good race , how wrong i was :(

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I suppose you can't take away from Ferrari's achievement in producing the best combination of car/driver/strategy. But it is a shame the other teams don't seem to be able to play 'catch up'.

Todays race - Trulli gets a brilliant start & everyone speculates Ferrari took fuel out to guarantee pole - which turns out to be not the case (Tony Jardine then tells us Shell have developed a new fuel which weighs less), Trulli stops first, Shumacher puts in a couple of stunning laps on a clear track and emerges from his stop in the lead - race over!

Minor interest in whether Alonso could get a podium, how many places Button could make up, why Montoya's brakes were so bad? - but the race proper was over by about lap 12.

They really need to level the playing field with these new regulations - I don't agree with the engine change proposal, but, I agreed with Martin Brundle that work should be done to reduce the 'dirty air' from the aerodynamics that makes overtaking so difficult. I've said it before, but I would favour scrapping the carbon brakes in favour of steel ones, like the Champ cars, & get braking distances increased & more chance of overtaking into the corners. :shrug:

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I would guess that even if they change the rules, the greater R&D budget of the top teams will help them to adapt better than the minnows and middle rankers.

There is one, and ONLY ONE answer, if the want to make a worthwhile race of it - success ballast.

Another idea: FIXED BUDGETS - and if the big teams quote unrealistically low prices for in-house parts, then the should be required to sell them at that price, or subsidise alternatives to the the other teams.

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the idea of success ballast seems to work in the Touring Cars, so that could be a good idea - and one that could be implimented fairly quickly, I would have thought :)

- I'm not sure about fixed budgets - maybe for things like the ECU & tyres, but I wouldn't like to see all the teams 'dumbed down' to the level of, say, Minardi, for engines & gearboxes, for example?

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which ties in nicely with my post #118 , @ homealone , minardi use ferrari engines , not sure about the box though :confused:

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One stat from the first five races of this seasons FI. Of the 301 laps raced so far, M Schumacher has been in the lead in all but 18 of them.:( Give him the trophy now and save all that petrol ( lighter or not ).

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and the planet as well , i dont reckon you are far wrong there , sad to say , it is getting very tedious :(

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trulli on pole and button second , good god i hope it is going to turn into a good race :tu:

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it was a good qualifying session, Trulli's lap was stunning & Jensen did well, too. It remains to be seen how the fuel/tyres strategy plays out in the race.

I see Renaults advantage at the start as a potential problem for Button, but hope he doesn't drop any lower than 3rd. After that it could come down to how far Shumacher can go before his first pit stop. With the new pit layout, if he can stay out even a couple of laps longer than Trulli/Alonso/Button, he could leapfrog them - I hope not, though.

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i reckon renault 1-2 off the line , button 3rd , watch out for a first corner smash , i reckon it is a distinct possibility :disturbd:

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trouble is, if there is - & agree it is well possible - it is likely to be Button & Shumacher who collide :erm:

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possible wet race , that will make it fun :disturbd:

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dry atm - but like you say, if it does rain It will shuffle the pack big time;)

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please let it be a good interesting race , pretty please :D :D :D

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I second that - the start & the first stint will be crucial. :)

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just watched trulli's pole lap again , that chicane after the tunnel is awesome :tu: :D

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bum - restart :(

it's going to be a long afternoon ;)

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bludddddy hell , surely that should be a red flag :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:

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hurray, it got exciting for once...

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I'm glad they stayed with the safety car - way to lunch an engine eh :disturbd: Shame about Coulthard :(

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Courtesy of Martin Brundle
:Yikes: Are they allowed to do that? :D

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lol :D

- what was Alonso thinking of :eek: - it should promote Button to 3rd when the pit stops shake down, though :)

yay - Shumacher out !!!!!!

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Schumacher out now too! Woohoo! (He's throwing the dummy out of the pram now)

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20 laps to go , button closing , sodding adverts :mad: :mad: :mad:

gonna be a close finish i reckon , go button go button go button :D :D :D :D :D

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second by 4 tenths - good race, though, that was more like it :)

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brilliant , really enjoyed , i reckon even if m s had stayed in it he wouldnt have been on the podium , long may it continue :tu: :tu: :tu:

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i'll second that! first race this season that i haven't just sat there and thought hmm... i wonder how much schumacher will win by!

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Yep, Button made it a really good finish! :tu:

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Well, having watched the highlights, it looks like people's prayers for an interesting race were granted!!

How the *hell* Sato got away with that start I don't know, *surely* it was a jump, there's just no way he could have got so much of an advantage over everyone else, yet he wasn't penalised. I think DC was a bit unfair on Sato and BAR saying that they should have pulled his car because McLaren pulled Kimi, obviously they were trying to fix the problem, but without knowing the details you can't really say things like that.

As for the Michael Schumacher incident, I think he, not Montoya, made a mistake, he braked sharply in the tunnel and then moved across and left Montoya with nowhere to go and it's not the sort of thing you'd expect to happen at that point.

Even so, MS is still well out in front and I don't think things are really going to change much in the next few races.

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It was amazing wasn't it? I love Monaco anyway, as it's far more real that the tracks - and the on-board cams give a real perspective of the speed these guys drive at.

As great a driver as Schumacher F1 has become (for me) tedious with him driving in it. Yesterday offered a real 'edge of seat' race like the good old days and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's sad that no-one can come close to the skill of Schumacher - but as long as they don't the sport is worse off with him in it.

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Thats right - it's a bit of a shame that there's little competition for the top spot these days.

Perhaps they should give Schumacher his own division, and let the others get on with it :pp

However, it's not just down to driver skill. Time after time we see brilliantly intuitive tactics by the Ferrari team. They rarely get it wrong. Not to mention the car, which may not be as good as some say (see Barrichello ;) ) but it's certainly in the top two or three and incredibly reliable.

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some of the onboard camera shots were brilliant , i hope this is the start of the rest of the season :tu:

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it was an excting race and what everyone really wanted to see but if you analyse the race in greater detail we never actually saw any overtaking.. it was all people crashing and retirements that made for an exciting race which isn't actually what we want to see.. even if the race had another 10 laps and button had caught trulli at .1-.3 tenths a lap faster he never stood a chance of overtaking trulli..

i think it was Shuey's fault in the tunnel.. it was a stupid place to try and warm up your brakes and tyres with no visability and then he didn't give Montoya any room either..compounding his own mistake.. i wonder if the FIA will take any action over Shuey squeezing his rival under the safety car? Think it was another case of him loosing it under pressure.. Ferrari had already made a mistake by not pitting when the safety car came out and would have lost the race anyway..

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The problem for Ferrari was that when the Safety Car was out, Schumacher wasn't anywhere near the "window" for a pitstop. Yes, he could have come in, but they wouldn't have been able to fuel him to the end of the race meaning that he'd still have to come in later and thus get no advantage from it.

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I don't understand how people are saying that he was not in the window for a stop. All the other cars that did stop were fuelled up to the end of the race as he would have been if he had come in.

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i think Ferrari should have just filled him to the end whether he was due a stop or not.. I understand people saying he wasn't due to stop for another 8-10 laps but even if he hadn't crashed out he would have had to build a gap of over 25 seconds.. bearing in mind the Michelan types work better on the first lap after a safetye car incident anyway and they all the cars behind were on fresh types..

the point i was actually trying to make was the race wasn't as exciting as people make out.. we had no real overtaking.. it was just people crashing and retirements.. the end of the race may have been close but there was no way Button was every going to get the win so this close finish right down to the last lap of the race where we didn't know who was going to win was all an invention of the media.. take out the crashes and retirements and it's another boring Monaco procession.. having said that my make this into a GP trip next season..

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but you wont get overtaking at monaco will you , hockenheim should be well interesting i reckon :tu:

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Wonder what will happen now Jaguar have lost their £140,00 0 diamond. Read more here about the diamond embeded in the bonnet of the jaguar

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ralf on pole , i wonder if he has 1 or 2 eggcups of fuel on board :disturbd: :erm: :disturbd: :erm: :disturbd:

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I wonder how many people he will take out at the first corner :(

- brakes are going to be a big issue on this circuit. ;)

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I wonder how long it will take ITV to pull the coverage if it over-runs into the football.

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it goes over to itv2 at 7-00 pm , not much good if you aint got digital though :(

same as the qualies not being shown live because of coro bluddddy nation street rerun :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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I was just thinking the same thing with the two events being so close together. ITV2 are carrying live F1 from 7:00 to 7:40 so I would imaging that coverage would continue on there, no consolation if you can't get ITV2.

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good point - that may be why they have the 1900 - 1940 slot on ITV2 scheduled - at a pinch they could continue race coverage on there?

<edit> I see Ian & Paul are thinking along the same lines :)

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yup we sure are , the race starts at 5-30 so i reckon it will be tight for it not to overun into itv2 , as the football dont start until 7-45 i cant see why they couldnt start the football at say 7-30 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
as it happens it dont matter as i have sky , i would be well annoyed if i didnt though :2up: itv

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This is where Sky+ comes into its own. England v France set to record so that means I can watch F1 until the race finishes and if it overlaps with the football I can immediately start to watch the match from the start, missing nothing. Try doing that with your VCR.

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the itv2 coverage is there i think for the post race stuff and as a backup if it does over run. The f1 has already moved its start half an hour early in an attempt to avoid any cross over which is unlikely to happen itself but of course the football folk need there hours of worthless build up banter about nothing.
Just like with the f1 they should stop the rumours and show coverage no body is interested in what they think.

In our house we listened to the qualy on 5live extra and there audio coverage was supurb far more accurate and incitefull than the non live itv rubbish. 5live had anthony davidson assisting with commentry who is an upto date f1 driver who knows exactly what is going on because he does handfulls of laps on friday so he can talk about technical things properly.

I was glad to see though that the advert breaks in the f1 were nothing but a pair of itv adverts each time, apart from the paper that i cant remember as there main sponser they had nobody else :-D serves them rite for putting out such crap at useless times and still pretending that its live :rolleeyes:

K

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days like today I wish I had it, what with superbikes, motogp, cricket, F1 & football, there is a lot to fit in :)

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Oi, have you been looking at my program planner? :D :D :D :D

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caught me - even though I missed out Le Mans to try & put you off the scent ;):D

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That's recording straight after Moto GP but I forgot about the Indy car racing and BTCC. And some are asking why you would want to record two programs at once. NZ all out for 218 if you are interested.

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and touring cars , my head is :spin: :juggle: :fit: :rofl:


edit :- beaten to the touring cars , doh :D :D :D

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How the *hell* does Michael Schumacher *do* it?!

He starts in sixth. He's racing down in the lower places. He's got car trouble and yet, somehow he *STILL* goes on to win the bloody race!!

Ok, so he is an incredible driver, but he got this one by sheer bloody fluke of the Renaults dropping out, more than anything else. Somehow it doesn't seem fair! :mad: :shrug:

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Theirs Class And Their Is FIRST Class :Sun:

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A couple of big crashes so far - Alonso and R Schumacher are out following suspected punctures/tyre failure. Had a couple of safety cars too, but it looks to have played into the hands of the Ferraris again! :mad:

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formula one.wake me up when its over.champ cars are on at 9.00 much more exciting and you don't know who's going to win before the race starts.
f1 motor RACING, bernie ecclestone should be sued under the trades description act.

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on which channel ??????????????

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motors tv channel on sky live at 9.00pm

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cheers :)

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The Man In Red Puts It To Bed Again

:nworthy:

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he did - but what did the crowd really think about only 8 cars running at the end? - pit stops/tyres/fuel, they can cope with - but, if F1 is to succeed in the USA our cars need to be less fragile :shrug:

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Blimey there was some serious carnage there!

But any Americans who say that F1 is boring needs to seriously reconsider their opinions!!

Or, rather, that the Yanks need to understand that F1 is not Indy Cars or whatever. For instance they could have (should have!) taken the pack through the pitlane after the Ralph Schumacher incident, instead of making them drive through masses of debris (and *why* did it take so long for them to get anyone *to* his car??) which may well have contributed to later incidents

Also why the *hell* did it take three quarters of the race to decide to exclude Montoya? I'm sure there are going to be protests about that in the next few days.

It's a pity, because it was a great race.

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very true , after watching the champ cars where they bounce all over the place and as long as the wheels are pointing in the right direction they just carry on going :tu:

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Good points there, Graham :tu:

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alonso on pole m schumacher 2nd , button and coulthard on the 2nd row , could be an interesting 1st corner seen as the renaults start so well :D

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it sure will be where is montoya i missed the practice today

:bigcry:

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6th :erm:

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I overlaid & missed qualifying :erm:

- good to see the Mclarens looking more competitive, though :tu:

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it looked to me as schumacher was trying too hard to get pole , and with barichello in 10th , i cant see him getting much backup unless he is on another well weird strategy :erm: , there will be summat wrong if alonso doesnt make a storming start and schumacher could well find him having some serious fun with button and coulthard until coulthards engine gives up :disturbd:

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with Renaults reputation for making good starts, I reckon you're right, Paul, Alonso should have the drop on the rest of them.

I'm hoping Coulthard's engine (and Raikonnen's) will do the distance, they are supposed to have modified it to improve the oil flow - need a 'fingers crossed' smiley. :) :scratch:

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whats the betting for tomorrow's race.
m schumacher 1st
r barrichello 2nd
j button 3rd
game over
give him the trophy now.

a thoroughly bored out of my skull F1 fan.
andy 1

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Did anyone spot the news on Friday that Max Moseley is packing the job in.

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fair play , but hope springs eternal i say :erm:

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yes, a sad day, in my opinion, Max seems to be a real gent.

I reckon he's had enough of the b*ching & arguing and not being able to get the rule changes past the team bosses. He was less than complimentary about one of them, but it wasn't disclosed which one that was. :erm:

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i dont suppose it would have been ferrari would it :Yikes:

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:wtf: are itv thinking of , putting the news on half way through the race :fit: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Well one more race won in the pit lane.:(
When was the last time anyone actually won an F1 race by overtaking the 2nd placed man in the last 20 laps under true racing conditions.
An amazing shunt though, the strength of F1 cars never ceases to amaze me, how the hell did he walk away from that.

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dont ask me i dont have a clue how the hell they can walk away from something like that :Yikes: :Yikes: :Yikes: :Yikes:

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tac tic's my son tac tic's :nworthy: :nworthy: all down to brain power