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Maggy 06-02-2004 16:53

Re: Bill Gates
 
There would be many who wouldn't even do that Sociable.
Maybe he is just choosy to whom he donates and actually tries to give to charities that have a forward looking attitude.

Sociable 06-02-2004 16:55

Re: Bill Gates
 
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Anything to refuse acknowledging that he might actually be genuinely compassionate, eh?

Shame on you.

Not at all just pointing out that his donations are not all about generosity and his giving billions from such a large pot is no less or more valued than pennies from someone with none to spare.

stevie 06-02-2004 16:56

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isnt it more to do with giving credit where credit is due????? where does jealous come into it???
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Funny how many people respond to Bill Gates from the standpoint of jealousy and give him no credit what so ever for actually being a decent human being.It's that fallacy that a wealthy man must be a barsteward because he is rich. :rolleyes:

Incog. :)


paulyoung666 06-02-2004 17:00

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
His own pocket.




that wouldnt have been full if not from microsoft that most of us gave to for software :eek:

SMHarman 06-02-2004 17:14

Re: Bill Gates
 
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
There would be many who wouldn't even do that Sociable.
Maybe he is just choosy to whom he donates and actually tries to give to charities that have a forward looking attitude.

But a large chunk goes into the Mr and Mrs Gates Charitable Trust for latter distribution. He can give away as much as he wants to in a year, that does not necessarily mean that it will be going to charities that year though.

The widows mite point (had to google that one) is a valid one, however much of his wealth is probably tied up in MSFT stock options and thus not yet availible for distribution.

Whichever way you look at it thoug $25Bn is a lot of anyones cash. I think Billy boy and Larry both agree they have enough personal wealth and want it to do some good in the world.

Jerrek 06-02-2004 17:15

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
that wouldnt have been full if not from microsoft that most of us gave to for software :eek:

Bull**** argument. Any money YOU give to charity, if you do, by definition, then comes from your employer.

It is HIS money, and HIS money to spend. Shame on all of you.

Jerrek 06-02-2004 17:16

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sociable
Not at all just pointing out that his donations are not all about generosity and his giving billions from such a large pot is no less or more valued than pennies from someone with none to spare.

As I said, Anything to refuse acknowledging that he might actually be genuinely compassionate, eh?

Sociable 06-02-2004 17:27

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
As I said, Anything to refuse acknowledging that he might actually be genuinely compassionate, eh?

Except nowhere have I said he isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t, I simply pointed out that the comparison you were trying to make was unfair.

Iââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢m sure he is a very caring and generous man and he never trod on anyone or abused his position at any time in building his empire.

Just trying to give some balance, please donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be so overly defensive. Bill is a big boy now and does not need your fanatical support.

paulyoung666 06-02-2004 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
Bull**** argument. Any money YOU give to charity, if you do, by definition, then comes from your employer.

It is HIS money, and HIS money to spend. Shame on all of you.




whoooooaaaaaaaaaa chill out man , it was only my perspective after all , i never said it was right :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


there was a thing about the huntsman corporation locally last week , they bought into ICI big time over here , and were very proud of there record of not making anyone redundant until now , the point of this you ask , he gives *****loads of money away to charity as well :(

Bifta 06-02-2004 18:33

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
As I said, Anything to refuse acknowledging that he might actually be genuinely compassionate, eh?

God forbid anyone thinks or say's anything bad about an American eh?

Jerrek 06-02-2004 18:37

Re: Bill Gates
 
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Originally Posted by Bifta
God forbid anyone thinks or say's anything bad about an American eh?

Low blow. I didn't even think of him as an American. You're just sad. It has nothing to do with his nationality, and all to do with him donating $25 billion. I must question your motives for bringing this up? Is it important to YOU what nationality he is? Because it sure isn't important to me what nationality someone is if he is donating to good charitable causes.

:rolleyes:

Jerrek 06-02-2004 18:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sociable
Except nowhere have I said he isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t, I simply pointed out that the comparison you were trying to make was unfair.

As I said twice before..., Anything to refuse acknowledging that he might actually be genuinely compassionate, eh?

Quote:

Iââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢m sure he is a very caring and generous man and he never trod on anyone or abused his position at any time in building his empire.

Just trying to give some balance, please donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be so overly defensive. Bill is a big boy now and does not need your fanatical support.
Backtracking now?

Sociable 06-02-2004 18:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
As I said twice before..., Anything to refuse acknowledging that he might actually be genuinely compassionate, eh?


Backtracking now?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Try reading my posts and tell me where I have backtracked.

Bifta 06-02-2004 18:43

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
Low blow. I didn't even think of him as an American. You're just sad. It has nothing to do with his nationality, and all to do with him donating $25 billion. I must question your motives for bringing this up? Is it important to YOU what nationality he is? Because it sure isn't important to me what nationality someone is if he is donating to good charitable causes.

:rolleyes:

It's not important to me in the slightest, in previous threads I've mentioned how Microsoft produce imho great software, but despite your protestations you're the one transfixed with the idea that everything American is "great" (especially when it involves guns, big cars and religion .. can we say redneck?).

Stuart 06-02-2004 21:41

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
Bull**** argument. Any money YOU give to charity, if you do, by definition, then comes from your employer.

It is HIS money, and HIS money to spend. Shame on all of you.

Actually, you could extend that argument to say that any money Bill G gives to charities comes from his Shareholders, or even the customers that buy the software. Yes, I know that when we pay for software, we are buying the use of a product, but it could also be argued that when a company pays and employee, they are paying for services rendered by that employee.

But, I must say, Microsoft have created some very good software (some bad as well), and credit is due to Bill G for donating a LOT of money to charity (whereever it came from) that otherwise may not have gone to charity.

Jerrek 06-02-2004 23:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
It's not important to me in the slightest, in previous threads I've mentioned how Microsoft produce imho great software, but despite your protestations you're the one transfixed with the idea that everything American is "great" (especially when it involves guns, big cars and religion .. can we say redneck?).

What has Microsoft to do with how Bill Gates spend his money? And if you want to see examples of BAD things America produces, just look at Bill Clinton, Woodrow Wilson, Senator Kennedy, Howard Dean, etc.

And is redneck supposed to be an insult? :confused:

I still don't understand what being American has to do with Bill Gates donating money to charities. :confused:

Maggy 07-02-2004 07:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
What has Microsoft to do with how Bill Gates spend his money? And if you want to see examples of BAD things America produces, just look at Bill Clinton, Woodrow Wilson, Senator Kennedy, Howard Dean, etc.

And is redneck supposed to be an insult? :confused:

I still don't understand what being American has to do with Bill Gates donating money to charities. :confused:

Come on back Clinton all is forgiven.
A man who actually left some money in the US coffers and George Bush has spent it all and some.

Jerrek 07-02-2004 13:58

Re: Bill Gates
 
A man who *stole* from the public to leave it in the hands of the government. Bush just gave it back. (And he is spending too much, yeah)

Sociable 07-02-2004 14:16

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
Bush just gave it back.

Actually he decided to give most of it to Iraq but decided to use his buddies in the arms industry to deliver it.

Jerrek 07-02-2004 16:31

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sociable
Actually he decided to give most of it to Iraq but decided to use his buddies in the arms industry to deliver it.

Have you been keeping tabs on tax cuts in the United States at all?

Sociable 07-02-2004 16:58

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
Have you been keeping tabs on tax cuts in the United States at all?

No, but the spending on the Iraq war is a large part of what has happened to US Taxpayerââ‚à ƒ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s money.

Don't make the mistake of thinking a tax cut makes you better off if all it does is increase your debts. At the end of the day any over spending now will have to be paid for by you not the party "giving" the tax "Cuts".

BTW if you want to know what the US Govt spends taxpayers money on donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t look at the budget if you want honest answers, as they discovered many years ago how to hide spending by diverting funds between departments to hide unpopular spending.

Jerrek 07-02-2004 17:15

Re: Bill Gates
 
I do not object to paying taxes. That money is reasonably spent (i.e. war in Iraq).

However, Clinton stole money from the taxpayers by charging excessive taxes. Bush recinded that, and gave it back to the people.

And I already montioned that I dislike how much Bush is spending, but what I do see is more money in every American family's pocket.

downquark1 07-02-2004 17:27

Re: Bill Gates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
However, Clinton stole money from the taxpayers by charging excessive taxes. Bush recinded that, and gave it back to the people.

Yes Clinton stole it all and secretly hoarded it the federal surplus, but the courageous Bush found the hiding place turning the largest surplus into the world's largest defecit and there was much bankers rejoicing throughout the land.

Sociable 07-02-2004 17:45

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Simple question for you Jerrek.

Who will end up paying back the deficit eventually?

Mr Bush?

The fat cats who gained contracts after having funded his election?

Or just possibly the US Taxpayers?

Economics 101 time I'm afraid. :rofl:


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