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I stand corrected....learn something new everyday :)

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Just for a laugh, why not try the quiz on the new legislation

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3423525.stm

- I got only 7 right :erm:

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9 here. :)

Missed the arrest not being "normal" for adults caught in possession, as it will now require some aggravating factor before that is "supposed" happen.

This I suspect will be the main problem of the new guidelines as it will depend largely on how it is applied in each police area.

mmmm Wonders, will a failure to share the J with the officer in question be seen as aggravating him?

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lol @ sharing;)

- & I agree about the potential for variation in application in different areas. It was interesting the quiz said 'teenagers' would be still subject to arrest, I presume they meant under 18's.

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Actually, I am not advocating banning drink (lethal or not). The fact is that drugs (I gave E as an example purely because that has hit the headlines in the past) CAN kill with one pill. Unless you drink something poisonous, drink generally will not kill you with one glass.

As regards to my position on legalising cannabis is that I think it should be. While I do know one person who has Schizophrenia that was triggered by a joint, I know people who use cannabis regularly. I also know one or two who have found it to be a particularly effective Pain Killer, with fewer side effects than many commercial pain killers (Paracetamol being the worst).

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Getting high is miles better than being ****ed...

no reason why cannibis is illegal imho, people get stoned and chill out... when some people are ****ed they turn aggressive.

free the weed

Gonna buy some for this weekend and walk down the street smoking it and see what happens

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Please do us a favour and don't ever drive/ride a bike/horse whilst under the fluence.Thanks. :tu:

Incog. :wavey:

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Seems that may be more common than you would think

http://www.itv.com/news/429580.html

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If spotted by the police you should be arrested and your canibis confiscated.
Using it in public place is illegal according to the tax payer funded ad in the newspaper today.

As someone who's never seen the need to smoke cigs let alone do anything stronger (canibis when smoked near me just gives me a stinking headache), could any users who feel able please explain to me why you need to do it?

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Thats nice, I'm glad I helped pay for that :rolleyes:

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'Cin ******s :afire: :2up:

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Don't forget you helped pay for the study into whether it should be reclacified.
The ads alone cost £1milli on
Take your pick of the other places that money could have been better spent.

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Don't get me started :afire:
Labour, you bunch of *user edit* :afire:

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So, to recap
canibis is now a class C drug
the police themselves are now confused
users are now confused (ok they were probably confused before, but only when smoking it)
over £1milli on has been spent
it's still illegal
the law says you will still get arrested

So what exactly was the point of reclasifying it?

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To show that we have a 'right on, groovy' kind of government? :confused:

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I've just had a thought.
Perhaps this is to prevent TB embarassment when his son his caught with canibis?

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Probably has been already but they are waiting for the right moment to let the news out.... :D

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Well the only reference I can find after a few minutes googling is to an experiment in Switzerland, not The Netherlands, and AFAIK the Swiss don't have the same "tolerance policy" to cannabis that the Dutch do, so I don't see this as a valid comparison.

If you have any cites relating to Holland I'd welcome you posting them.

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Can you post the links you've found as I may be wrong, I think it was about 10 years ago. I know it wasn't amsterdam (I remember at the time being suprised Amsterdam wasn't used), but have a sneeking suspicion it was Rotterdam

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Yes,of course. ALL dope smokers are brain-addled-idiots without an ounce of common sense!

A few years ago there were a series of debates,on TV,one of which was about drugs.During which,a top physician was asked The choices were;
1: An Alcoholic.
2: A Heroin Addict.
3: Under severe personal financial difficulties.

The Harley Street Physician had no hesitation in choosing option 2 as the surgeon most likely to be able to consentrate on the job.

I personally know Policemen,Firefighters & Medical workers who are regular Cannabis smokers,all of whom know when & where not to smoke.

Of course,there are those who don't know better.Smoking a spliff while driving down the M4 at 5am is not an option that my (late) friend Lee will ever have the chance to do again.(There may have been other factors involved).

As for Cannabis being addictive - Bullox!
I was a regular dope smoker for 17 years.For a while,I was sharing a house with some dealers - nearest I ever got to giving up smoking cigarettes :D I gave it up when my daughter was born.I still smoke ciggies & drink like a fish.I have the occaisional toke,to be socialble,but I don't miss it.

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You have obviously not read the entire thread or you wouldn't be speaking to me in this way. :rolleyes:



Incog.

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I believe the following quote backs up was Incog was saying
So, 74 percent of cannabis users have admitted to driving while under the influence. Whether you are aware of it or not, cannabis, as with alcohol, does affect the user's ability to drive.

Yes, I agree, cannabis itself is not addictive. However, under certain circumstances those using cannabis may be persuaded to experiment with something that is addictive. Some Drug addicts I know got started this way.

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But scastle we can't keep nannying everyone.If people are going to take drugs then we might as well accept it and actually try to protect the weakest(children)whilst allowing the rest to be adult in their choices.It might actually be better for people who want to to be able to buy unadulterated drugs at a good quality and a reasonable price with clear instructions on how to use them.Add a good sized excise duty on them and then plough some of that back into education and rehabilitation whilst hopefully removing some or the worst criminal aspects of drug usage(prostitution,mugging,dealing,gun crime).

The only people who are doing well with the present laws and attitudes towards drugs are the drugs barons and the agencies that are supposed to stop and hinder the trade.They are fighting a losing war.

You can probably find flaws with my suggestions but so we can with the present system.

Incog. :)

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New Scientist tells me on the subject of gateway drugs, that "Many hard drug users have followed a similar path from cigarettes and alcohol, to cannabis, to heroin and cocaine". So, as people seem to be against cannabis as it is a gateway drug, are these people also against cigarettes and alcohol?

Anyway, what is the penalty - the penalty imposed on me by the police realistically, not the one written down in law - if I grow cannabis from my personal religious use?

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Providing you don't "spread the gospel" very little although they will confiscate the religious icons and any incense burners.

The danger is what would be perceived as the break point for considering any quantity possesed as being for personal use so you do run the risk of full prosecution and the implication now is that once that line is crossed the penalty will be much higher now.

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I'd still like to know why people need to take drugs? (other than an adiction)

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Now there's a good question!

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In Hinduism and Rastafarianism it is a part of the religion.

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And that's a good answer. Anyone know why?

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Enjoyment!

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What kind of enjoyment?

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Singapore Airport... (for those reading this later, this was Towny's 'location' as he posted this)? Will you be posting from the plane as well?

Now go and have a walkaround, and buy some more pressies for your family!!!!!!!!! :)

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With Hinduism, I think it was a god called Shiva that used weed. It is suposed to help in meditation and prayer by removing distractions so it helps you focus and think.
In Rastafarianism, I've been told by a Rasta that the Indians (Hindus) brought over to Jamaica by the British, infulenced the Africans that were also brought over. Some Rasta beliefs come from Hinduism like dreadlocks and Weed, the God Shiva had Dreads and used weed.

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Very interesting indeed, but does cannabis really help you to focus on anything?!

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Much like alcohol the effect is more one of allowing one to stop focusing on the things which are distracting you.

This I suspect is one reason I and many others find it helps with pain relief.

It actually aids the process of not thinking hence its danger when used at a time when full concentration is required.

I smoke I drive but never in the same 24 hour period just wish those that over indulge with alcohol at night then jump in cars in the AM would do likewiae.

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Hindus have been using it (somoking it, drinking it, using it from medicine) for over 3000 years.
Here's an extract from http://www.cannabis.net/india/
The Hindu belief system accommodates this by prescribing use in such a way that this effect becomes beneficial. A key factor is that low potency preparations (bhang, thandai) are available. It allows individuals with complex life tasks, goals and obligations to indulge in moderation. The drug is also taken in a ritualized context, facilitating concentration and relaxation. It is taken at times, such as in the evening or on holidays, in which focus on the immediate present is a welcome change. Use of the more potent preparations (ganja, charas) is not condoned for this group. Above all, moderation is enjoined and popular folk belief warns of the potential problems of excess. Ganja and charas are regarded more ambivalently as poisons or semipoisons.

Well if it gets rid of your daily distractions then maybe you can concentrate better.

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I speak from experience when I say it does exactly the opposite. But maybe it depends on what you're trying to focus on ;)

I haven't touched the stuff in the last 10 years (and feel no desire to), but I do think the reclassification is a good thing. I consider it on a par with alcohol, which can wreak havoc, but is considered socially acceptable.

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Why do people drink alcohol?

(Actually that's more or less a serious question, since I've never drunk it)

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The potential use of cannabis as medical pain relief is interesting, but what worries me is that the drug as used today is unrefined and contains a lot more than just the useful pain-relieving chemicals. Don't you worry about the increasing evidence that cannabis smoke is even more carcinogenic than tobacco, or that regular cannabis use is increasingly connected with mental illness?

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Well the advice from my consultant is that on balance I am at far less risk from the relatively low amount I use not least when compared with the alternative prescription drugs I would be using otherwise.

Don't forget there is about 3000 years of experience behind the use of cannabis as a herbal remedy and less than 10 for most common pain killers in use today.

As always it is a case of balance and even over use of water can cause serious health issues too.

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I've never really understood either.
I have much more fun sober than I do drunk.
I rarely drink because I it goes to my head quickly.
I can only assume that these people who think it's fun to get totally bladdered do it so that they can use the alcohol as an excuse for uncivilised behaviour.

I fail to see how being drunk or stoned is enjoyment.

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Yes but there's been several hundred years of bleeding being used to treat man's ills, but today we know it's not really effective.
The 3000 years consists of "here mate, smoke this, you won't care about your pain" whereas the 10 years for common pain killers consits of indepth medical trials and development.
Who/what is your consultant btw?

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I agree that alcohol can be worse than Cannabis, I am going to take a leap of faith here and declare that I have 'done' both since I was 15, I have also 'experimented' with lsd, cocaine, amphetamine, opium - and their derivatives - do 'mandies' still 'make you randy'?

ok - best advice is 'don't do it' - but - ? - I'm drinkin'?

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Sorry but the content of your post justifies no more than that as a response.

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So for the past 3000 years, herbalists haven't just been giving it to people, they have been conducting scientific tests into the workings or MJ and its physiological affects on the human body and mental state then?
Wow! After 3000 years you'd think we'd therefore know everything about MJ that there is to know, it's exact chemical makup, what dose to take for period pains, what dose to take for MS, how to extract the pain killing component without having to take the stoning component...
:rolleyes:

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Well now I think you have neatly underlined why there has been so little research into cannabis by the chemical industries and health bods-scepticism.The thought always intrudes that old well known remedies can't be good because they have been in use for years.It's the 'old wives tales' but newer chemicals are much better because so much money has been spent on the research,dismissal theory.
Also pain is so subjective.How can you judge that one person's pain is really worse for one than for another?I suspect some people just have the physiological ability to shrug off pain that would fell another.This makes investigation difficult.

Incog.