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Originally Posted by AntiSilence (Post 34139585)

But that's all down to how the software has been programmed. It doesn't have anything to do with the computer its running on. If Final Cut Pro was programmed for the PC with the exact same features, menus and options, how could it be any less easy to use?

It could quite easily have a different user experience. You're entering the realms of how easy the OS is to work with from a programmer's point of view, whereas up to now we're looked mainly at the user experience of the OS.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34139495)

you better watch out, you better beware.........
http://www.securemac.com/

I know about that site and I use it. I maintain that macs are not riddled with viruses.

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34139484)

There is a lot of deliberaterly misleading propaganda out there propogated by Mac cult members, that's one I certainly take issue with. Its an out and out lie.

My powerbook is over 2 years old now and its considerably slower than when I bought it. It wern't that fast then either.

No. Its not. I have had my powerbook longer and it is still as fast as when I got it (faster actualy, but only because i stuck 1 gig of RAM). Just because I dont have the same experance as you doesnt mean I lied or am a Mac Cult member putting out propaganda.

I do not know why yours runs slower and you should look into it. Tried reparing disk permissions? How much Ram do you have? How many programs do you have running or start with? Also try clearing some redundant files, macs are usually clean after a disinstall but they leave the preference files behind. Check there for problems and files you could clear

Useful features that let you find files? But finding out what the combined size of two or more folders? That's not very useful to Mac cult members nor Steve Jobs, but it is to me. I had to download a finder plugin to find out what the size was. Absolutely appalling. Also, I found out I needed this plugin when I selected some 75+ folders and did a properties on them, only to find 75+ folder properties windows popup forcing me to restart my Powerbook.

Yeah, I dont like finder either. Hopefully 10.5 will overhaul it. But that doesnt take away the usefulness of Spotlight and Expose. Both features I miss when I use my Windows Machine.

Oh, that's alright then. Also titanium look good for about 30 mins out the box, when it needs cleaning.

It was just a add on, allmost a joke. PS Powerbooks, including yours unless it was secound hand. Have been made out of aluminum

I also resent the constant use of the word 'Mac cult'. I like my Mac, I think its better than Windows. I do use both. I came to this conclusion by myself and do not need the stuff I know i like to be called a lie, properganda and a member of a cult (which also suggests brainwashing). Same with other macs users, please stop putting them down just because you dont agree.

About the film editing. The main reason macs are seen as better for video and graphic is historical based on the fact macs were used for graphic work when they came out (due to the GUI). Now its still kind of true because of the way OSX handles graphics, sound and video. Final cut also works a lot better with OSX than Adobe works on Windows. Adobe is about 100% more annoying, not stable either even on massive spec machines.

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Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34139589)

I don't think I am. I was asking how, if an application was identical on the PC as on the Mac, it would be any harder to use?

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Originally Posted by AntiSilence (Post 34139624)

I don't think I am. I was asking how, if an application was identical on the PC as on the Mac, it would be any harder to use?

Apple programmers can use Cocoa which gives the programs a lot of the native features of Mac OSX. So it could not be identical. The big programs are not in Cocoa it should be said, and Photoshop is almost the same. The ease of use comes from the OS and not the program in those cases (expose being useful for dealing with a lot of images). The way Mac handles images does mean its is usually snappier and a tad more stable though.

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Originally Posted by Apple

Cocoa is an object-oriented application environment designed specifically for developing Mac OS X-only native applications. The Cocoa frameworks include a complete set of classes, and for developers starting new Mac OS X-only projects, Cocoa provides the fastest way to full-featured, extensible, and maintainable applications.

Sounds like programming using Window's APIs to me :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34139629)

Apple programmers can use Cocoa which gives the programs a lot of the native features of Mac OSX. So it could not be identical.

Of course it could be identical. It may have to use different methods to do something, which may or may not make it slower.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34139629)

The big programs are not in Cocoa it should be said, and Photoshop is almost the same. The ease of use comes from the OS and not the program in those cases (expose being useful for dealing with a lot of images). The way Mac handles images does mean its is usually snappier and a tad more stable though.

I still don't understand how the ease of use comes from the OS. The OS may have some funky special features, but that's beside the point.

Oh look! ANOTHER resurrected Mac versus PC thread.

Only it's really a my todgers bigger'n yours thread.

Give it up..accept that there is no common ground on which you agree and move on.Life is too short and boring as it is..:p:

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Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34139668)

Told you it'd keep them occupied & out of mischief... ;)

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Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34139668)

Oh look! ANOTHER resurrected Mac versus PC thread.

Only it's really a my todgers bigger'n yours thread.

If yours were bigger than mine I'd be worried about you! ;) :p:

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Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34139668)

Give it up..accept that there is no common ground on which you agree and move on.Life is too short and boring as it is..:p:

Give it up??? NEVER!! See, we're making life more interesting by arguing! :D

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 34139671)

Told you it'd keep them occupied & out of mischief... ;)

How to keep an idiot amused... PTO... How to keep an idiot amused... PTO... How to keep an idiot amused... PTO... How to keep an idiot amused... PTO... How to keep an idiot amused... PTO... How to keep an idiot amused... PTO...

;) LOL

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AntiSilence If yours were bigger than mine I'd be worried about you! ;) :p:

No but then I don't care about this issue anyway..I'm of the mind that life is too short to worry about whether my body or my PC measures up because neither of them do and never will.

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Give it up??? NEVER!! See, we're making life more tedious by arguing!

Oh the power of red ink...:D

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Originally Posted by AntiSilence (Post 34139585)

The nearest FCP got (and is ever likely to get) to being released on the PC was that Media 100 (the company Apple bought Final Cut Pro from) devloped a high-end video editing system called 844/X, based around a similar interface to FCP. In use it was very similar (although 844/X relied on a ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£25,000 processing box and performed most operations in real time).

Actually, what you say is true. The interface is down to how the software is coded, and there is no real reason why someone could not replicate a mac user interface using windows system calls.

However, Apple DO seem to make more of an effort to enforce their own User Interface Guidelines (Microsoft not only don't enforce them, they don't always follow their own guidlines).