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Some great Art on those links, heres a couple of my drawings.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/09/11.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/09/9.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/09/12.jpg

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Glad to see you put your creative juices to work and put that 'other' problem behind you.;)

Keep it up.:tu:

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:D

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I consider most examples of surealism as pretentious, for instance I don't rate Dali's work that highly, it feels like it's trying to be surreal, much like several of the photo's in Cobbydaler's Gilbert & George link.
H R Giger's work on the other hand I love, it's sureal but more than that it's a great piece of artwork.
Your drawing above strikes me like that, it's sureal, but that is secondary to it being a great piece of art.

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Dali.How can his work be 'trying to to be surreal' when in fact he is one of the founders of the Surrealists?Dali is the epitome of Surrealism.

Agreed his work is hard to understand.I certainly don't understand half the symbols in his work and the titles of his work are confusing but as a man seeking to allow the access of his subconscious into his art I just give him the credit for succeeding spectacularly.

Thankfully I've never had dreams that resemble his work.;)

The real magic of the man was his ability to paint in the form of any genre of art movement of the 19/20 century.He certainly could paint a Monet copy.

Of the two I certainly think Giger is the truly disturbed if the images he produces do come from his subconscious.I certainly would hate to have his dreams. I am drawn to his work but I'm also repelled by it as well.:erm:

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I dont like any of Dali's work, Come to think of it i dont like Van Gogh either, infact most painters from the past i dont like. Da Vinci's art inspired me, and Escher.

Here is some more work of mine, it varies to what I draw really.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/09/5.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/09/6.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/09/7.jpg

^^^^ Thats from when I was like 16. 1991. Its old.

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Oh don't get me wrong, the quality of his work, his skill as a painter are unquestionable.

If I were to take a photo (as I can't paint) of a salmon on an old style telephone where the reciever should be, to me, although that would be surreal in that you wouldn't in reality have a salmon on a telephone reciever, it's trying to be surreal.

Perhaps it's that the surrealism is the subject of his artwork, rather than a blended in part of it.
It just feels to me as though Dali painted to create surreal paintings to keep up the interest in surrealism and therefore himself, rather than painting to express something inside.
Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I feel the same about Warhol, who's art I don't rate one iota.
I think if I ever had a dream in the style of either, I'd fall asleep out of boredom!

Now Giger on the other hand, I love the dreams I have in his style (even the ones without aliens).
When I look at most of his work (some of his sculptures are in a similar vein to Dali and I don't think they're his best work) it feels like it's actually come from him.
Perhaps it's because I know he's a perfectionist through reports of his work with various film productions such as Alien, the never made Ridley Scott Dune, and Species, and the care he has for his creations expressed in his distaste at how other modify or treat them.
He also appreciates others for their artistic ability rather than who they are (I know of someone who was invited to lunch with him because they had made and were selling Gigeresque chess boards, they thought they were in trouble, but he was very impressed), although having said that, he was a fan and aquaintance of Dali.

Or maybe I just like being able to play "spot the genitalia" with Giger's work :D

I'd love to have his dining table set.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/09/4.jpg

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Well frankly you could do that with Dali's as well.In fact some of the surrealists works were extremely near the knuckle if the exhibition that I went to at the Tate Modern was anything to go by.:D

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I think it's a difference of sublty and style.
Dali is more in your face shouting "Cooooeeeeeee! I'm a surrealist, aren't I special, look at me everyone, over here!" while Giger's artwork is like someone calmly sitting in the corner reading a deep book.

Similarly if I compare Boris Vallejo's artwork to that of his wife, Julie Bell, I much prefer his, simply because of her use of "metal skin" which I think detracts from the quality of the rest of her artwork, especially when done in silver/chrome. She also seems to have trouble with angled hips, or maybe it's the models she uses...

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You've got to hand it to them! ::Link:: :tu:

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LOL@ Enuff, Thats cool but close eye tells me they are not real but modified. The elafant for example looks to crisp for any paint I know. Forgive me if its meant to be digital but it looks it anyway.

Nearly all look enhanced which i suppose you could say is art, but i prefer as do most artists, to not alter their work, no matter what medium they work with.

Dont get me wrong im not having a go, im just saying artists take pride in what they do, and it takes a bad artist to change the original, these images are good work, but look false because in my opinion thay have been touched up, and thats a shame. If they havent then my god yes, but as an artist i can see its altered hehe.

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See, to me, that is much better surrealism than Dali's work.
The artwork is primary, the surrealism (of it actually being someone's hand) is secondary.

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Some quirky street art...

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All I can say about these hyper-realistic pieces is wow!

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I found those a little scary, mainly the changes in scale, i think - but 'wow', indeed :tu:

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Disturbing and thought-provoking.
:tu:

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Artistic paddy fields...

I think Nug left one of the comments:

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It's for ewe...

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...:)

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Some of Banksy's originals are going up for auction at Bonhams. 10 items are expected to fetch around £300,000 in total...

Link

Art????
 

This seems to have made the headlines today....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7481696.stm

What a load of *******s. How is that art?

Discuss....

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Oops sorry bout that... :angel:

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Discuss! discuss? words fail me apart from the one that ends in 'ox

Art my arse I got more talent in the stool I deposited at 5am.

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Now THIS is art :)

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Well it's skilful and it's clever.But this is art.;)

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Nah, that's just a bunch of drunken chicks wearing sheets :D

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Well yours is just a piece of paper...:p:

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Banksy revealed as former public schoolboy?

Link

Ironic if so...

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Actually I don't want to know..I think it is refreshing not to have an artist being all poncy and precious about their work.:D

Giant Turd slips moorings, and floats away!!!
 

Yes you read the title correctly, apparently at an art exhibition in Switzerland American artist Paul McCarthy's latest "master-piece" an inflatable turd the size of a house got blown over 200feet in high winds. And there's me thinking we in Britain had a monopoly on, shall we say controversial art-work, eg: Tracy Emin's classic "unmade bed" or Damien Hurst's pickled animals, it would seem I was wrong.:)
Anyway the question I wanted to pose, "is this art"?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/12/3

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I replied to frogstampers first post in a new thread but it appears only his post was merged into this existing thread...:shrug:

Anyway, I said this occurrence is clearly the work of a higher being and is his/her way of saying "Sort your stall out, you numpty".
:)

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It would have been more interesting if the artist had slung a basket under it and turned it in to a proper hot air balloon. As it is it's just a useless pile of poop. :)

Dog poo is dangerous!!!
 

This lot broke a greenhouse and brought down some power lines!!!!

LINK

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Looks like one of my girls ones

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What a crap story.

What is really worrying is that it's considered "art" :(

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Sloppy workmanship

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Sweetcorn?

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Art eh? Anyone want to go into business with me knocking out miniatures? ;)

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Already being discussed (and picked up on & merged - post #130) ?

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no (insert obvious) Sherlock :)

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Merged again then

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And I spend my time trying to persuade children that they are artists and everyone can be an artist..and their reply is that it's a load of crap..

Guess the artist has proved their point...:(

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Anyway Art is subjective..it has to be.It has to be all things to all people.Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it's not art as Art is in the eye of the beholder.

My favourite sculptor is Claes OldenBurg.Now he thinks really big.

Here is his manifesto.

Some examples of his work

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That manifesto is great. Some of the images he juxtaposes are really thought provoking.

We have a few similar 'large editions of common objects' type sculptures around Manchester and they still make me smile, this one in particular as people do chain their bikes to it quite regularly.
............https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/08/56.jpg

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I love art that makes me laugh but I'm more keen on art that makes me think but above all I prefer art that makes me connect to my emotions.

Any art that fails to any of the above is still art though...Because it probably affects someone else even if it does not for me.:)

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Did anyone read about the stray dog that was tied up in an art exhibition without any food or water? They let it die and called that art. :(

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The director of the art gallery tells a different story:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...r/30/art.spain

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Well, I don't really have much thought over his social experiment, but I do hope the dog didn't actually die.

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http://haha.nu/amazing/seamless-pictures/

:)

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Cough... ;)

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so everyone doesn't have to read back through the thread.:p:

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The latest from Banksy :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7662627.stm

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Excellent stuff!

Hoax EU Art
 

Link

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Is it art? Hell yes, although some people have far to much time on their hands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9...layer_embedded

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Or perhaps, Is it Fart?

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Banksy's new exhibition...

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I don't like Banksy's M.O. but some of his pieces are clever and impressive. I like the women working in the field, Picasso, gift shop ones. The others are good but not super original or clever.

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Well, these photos absolutely are art...

http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/gallery/

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I thought I'd share this..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...t-art-painting


It's this comment made in response to the really dreary article that made me laugh.
Bravo..:clap:

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Well, it used to be a Banksy landmark, but no more:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8238896.stm

Bureaucracy at its worst...

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Not the first time it's happened either...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6575345.stm

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is art not anything that has been designed with intent? be it functional or purely for aesthetic purpose. a toilet is as much a piece of art as a Van Gogh, isn't it? their roles may be different to us, but their conceptions and creations followed the same process... conceptualise, design/draft, create.

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What about a sunset? Or a tree swaying in the wind? Or the sound of waves on the beach? Do they only qualify as art when they have been captured on canvas/video/mp3?

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i would say yes to that. Although aesthetically pleasing in reality, these things are not so much 'designed' as are just functions of physics. I would argue that the Sun can be called art in the fact that nature designed it, or that the tree was art for the same reason, but the act of the sun setting or the tree swaying without a conscious attempt to record the event , I would say no, not art.

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The thing is ART is subjective and what one person regards as art another will not.Neither stance is wrong but it's the refusal to acknowledge the other's viewpoint that causes all the fuss.We are all individuals,why the hell should we all like the same things?

It's the same with music,films and writing.

Really all this hand wringing because someone loves grunge over dance music,another prefers the Pre-Raphaelites instead of Damien Hirst,Tolstoy to Harry Potter is plainly ridiculous.

I'm not a Hirst or Ennim fan but I'm not going to attack someone who thinks they are the bees knees..provided they lay off my fondness for the art of Monet or Laurence Alma Tadema of course.;)

Actually the people I think who need a good kicking are the 'critics' who set us at odds over art,drama,theatre,novels,poetry etc.

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this is why I like to put a definition to art, albeit my own definition - but it means I have set a rule to follow. I might think something is crap (like most installation art for example! a running tap apparently signifying our wasteful society to me is less art, more pretentious, self-absorbed, attention seeking pish), but it is still art by definition. I'd like to think of the tap itself being more the artful piece in something like that rather than the ideology behind its use in the project.

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Viral sculptures

What do you think?

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they are pretty cool

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I think so too.:)

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I never thought I would find E-coli so beautiful. I would like to know what size they are.

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Around 20 - 25cm

http://www.lukejerram.com/projects/glass_microbiology

They are fantastic & that link gives the real things to compare against...

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Thank you so much for that link Cobby.

I have just sat mesmerized watching the HIV virus being recreated. I know Jerram is the artist but I have to say the glass blowers who turned the artist's visions into 3 dimensional objects are truly amazing artisans in their own right.

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Wonderful! They show the beauty of life, even in organisms which many think of as our deadly enemies. Makes a change from photographs of koala bears and baby seals...

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Something for Magg(ot)y... ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8250414.stm

What a load of Jackson Pollocks!

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Stop motion animation of the evolution of life...

Link

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Not sure I agree with this year's Turner prize winner.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11928557

Surely the prize was established for contemporary visual arts?

http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/turne...ory/essay.shtm

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The Criteria seems to change from year to year...I've only ever liked one winner in the entire history of the competition.

Personally I think it was a mistake to call it the Turner prize as not one person who has been nominated or won in the event has even one tenth the skills of Turner plus he can hardly be the epitome of contemporary art of the last 60 years..it should have been named after a British artist whom was rather more contemporary like Francis Bacon,Henry Moore ,Barbara Hepworth,Bridget Riley,Peter Blake,David Hockney and my particular favourite Stanley Spencer...

Personally I think it's not so much a case of Contemporary art more like Contentious Art. :rolleyes:

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Very well put Maggy. I have given up trying to see where that the winners of the Turner Prize have displayed an ounce of the Talent displayed by Turner. I feel that it is a showcase for those "artists" that like to push the boundaries of what a gullible public are willing to accept as artistic endeavour. With the art critics indulging in a case of the Emperors New Clothes syndrome.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11974290

I thought I was inclined to Scroogism.:erm:

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Comparing it to my tree makes me feel positively decadent.

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Turner Prize hopefuls announced..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13282415

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13283000

Sigh! Here we go again.

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You'll have to turn the swear filter off to allow me to give my full artistic response to what I think of their (so called) 'art'. :shocked: :D

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Oh dear. :(

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Brilliant!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14601364

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Wow! that's fantastic!:D

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I love the way Bristol has embraced this art form. The first painting in the slide show is my favorite.

Any one wanting to see a bit more about the Bristol graffiti project can have a look at the following link.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Brist...ail/story.html

The Banksy exhibition at Bristol's City Museum and Art Gallery is also still running until the end of this month and looks well worth a visit.

http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/the-ticket...ristols-c.html

(sorry about the Red Top link):D

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Love these Credit Card Sculptures :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14912590

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You need to get that stutter looked at.

they're very good.

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Stutter instantly fi-f-f-f-f-fixed...

Woops there it goes again!!!

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Grayson Perry calls art world 'disengaged'

link

And the debate rages on..Is he right?

Personally I think Grayson is the only real artist to have won the Turner Prize but then I'm a potter myself.;)

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Dead link Maggy.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm...ment_110671763


I agree with Maggy about Grayson and I 'aint even a potter. :)

Having seen a fair few Turner exhibition winners and entries over the years there are not many winning entries that, I would think, the general public would consider to be true works of art. In all honesty I find it difficult to find the "art" in many of the pieces of work and can understand Grayson's comment.


The art world seems to be fueled by 2 groups. There's, us who buy because we like stuff then there's the Investors, who buy only with an eye to making a profit.

Overlooking the artwork being produced in the less rarefied world out side the realms of the Turner Prize Circus are the Critics who in the main, IMHO, have their brains so far up their backsides that they wouldn't rate a piece of art unless it fits into their own narrow set of criteria and was created either by an artist willing to starve in a garret or one who they could claim to have discovered. < and breath>The Turner Jury seeming to hold a similar opinion to the latter group of critics having, over the years, ensured that those that enter work appear to be to be in the main those who seek to enter a race for notoriety in the hope that it will help them attract the critical acclaim that will gain them potential Patrons with seemingly bottomless pockets.

Sorry for the long post but no apologies for the rant. It felt good getting it off my chest. :D

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Ooops, not any more...

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Well it was just some overpriced firewood certainly not art unless you are deficient somewhere.:D

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Your link was most welcome Cobby. I needed a good belly laugh.

If any Art Galleries are reading this thread I have a waste paper basket overflowing with the debris from last night and if they want to pay me £500,000.00 I will gladly entitle it Mrs G's Life. I will even deliver it and install my modern art installation for free. :D

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The London Olympic posters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15577818

What a load of ......:mad:

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And what is wrong with the Bridget Riley? At least she has painted hers very carefully.I'll be getting that poster.I also like the circles one by Rachel Whiteread.The swimming one is good too.Also like the Sarah Morris as well.

Not keen on the rest though I must admit.

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I can't see what it represents myself, or what it has to do with the 2012 games. Even after reading the info on it, I think it's pushing it a bit (ok a lot). Each to their own. :)

Her black and white work though is excellent I must admit, not too keen on her coloured work at all.

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Movement and speed..it's obvious.Yes the Op Art was interesting but we have moved on from that..Well Ms Riley has anyway.;)

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I quite like the ones by Michael Craig-Martin, Rachel Whiteread, and Sarah Morris.

Some very uninspiring ones in there as well.

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Reading that article there seems to be a conspiracy about against german art :D