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Merci!

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perugia fired their south korean player round about a day after he knocked italy out of the world cup

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Scousi? Link it my man!

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Gracia... I remember now....

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i think this is the right one...

http://www.perugiacalcio.it/

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What a game he had against England, if he gets stick on his return to England it just makes the English look bitter.

What did they expect, him not to play well because he plays in England? Tought titties England - deal with it.

When Gascoigne scored against Scotland in Euro 96 did the Scots bleat about it when he returned to Rangers that year.

Nope.

Englands out - Ronaldo did what he should have done and did it well - if you cant deal with it dont watch it.

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I think Ronaldo is getting what he deserves. He spoke to the ref for gods sake!! He should count himelf lucky, I can only imagine what might have happened to him if he had stood on someones crouch and then shoved someone.

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http://www.ihateronaldo.com/

Suuuuurrreee you don't.

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Talking about Scapegoats, was there one in 90 or 96?

86 was the hand of god
88 was Robson
92 was Taylor
98 was Beckham
2000 was Phil Neville
2002 was Seaman
2004 was Urs Meier
2006 was Ronaldo

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no wonder sven stayed in his job for so long, it was never his fault!!!

Im suprised the list hasnt included Faria or Ulrika .......

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Well we all know that England love a scapegoat to avoid the real issues. Usually its that rotten cheat Johnny Foreigner but sometimes they turn on their own.

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I think one of the problems is that Ronaldo does tend to come across as quite cocky anyway, and he seems to have quite a habit of diving all the time. As a result, he's got a reputation (justified or not) as being a cheat.

I've heard / read a rumour (completely unsubstantiated as most rumours are) that even his Man U team-mates are tired of his diving, and have told him to stop doing it, even in training :shrug:

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But the way people are talking you would think he's the biggest and only cheat in football.

Where are all the threads criticising Henry for trying to con the ref to get another player sent off? Did you see the other Ronaldo's dive on Saturday?

Don't remember many people shouting about cheating when Mickey Owen did it against the Argies.

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Gareth Southgate in '96 for missing the penalty

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what about chris waddle in 90?

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He missed. Stuart Pearce had already had his shot saved before that.

I'm pretty sure it was Pearce took more of the criticism that time.

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Welcome to the English media :shrug: :D

I think the thing there is that there was a foul committed, even though Henry did try to con the ref - it was a bookable offence anyway, so the free-kick was justified. I'm not trying to say that Rooney shouldn't have been sent off, because what he did was a red card offence, but a number of the Portuguese (including Ronaldo) probably made more of it than there actually was. Just IMO, of course :)

That's 'cos we really don't like the Argies :D

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But that's only because we're all still waiting for Waddles shot to land :D

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Yep it was a foul, but that doesn't excuse Henry clutching his face as if he had been elbowed when Puyol's arm was clearly nowhere near his face.

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Come on, who here honestly thinks that the ref sent Rooney off because Ronaldo told him to?

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henry has been nothing but a big baby for a while now

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I agree entirely - unfortunately, this is the sort of thing that FIFA should be clamping down on, but haven't :shrug:

Not at all - what I think is that several of the Portuguese players didn't help with the entire situation.

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If Rooney hadn't started shoving he might have stayed on the pitch. Watch it again the ref only took action after he shoved Ronaldo. Blame lies solely with Rooney.

Reverse the situation? Terry gets a boot in the nuts, are you telling me England players wouldn't complain to the ref?

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well only the ones that play for Man U would surround the ref. force of habit and all that ;)

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Oh, I agree - as I said, I think that Rooney deserved to be sent off anyway, but I personally don't agree with it when any players get right up to the ref :shrug:

As for Terry? Wouldn't have been a problem - he's so good, he'd just have waited until the next time he saw the stamper, and had him then :D

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the ref saw the stamp, rooney was gone anyway. the only reason why he didn't send him off straight away was because he had to stop a potential fight

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The ref stood there for a couple of seconds signaling a free kick. Then you see Ronaldo coming in and saying something, then Rooney shoves him and the ref reacts.

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giving a player a little nudge would not get you sent off

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Why didn't the ref react until after the shove then?

Watch it again, he stands there signaling a free kick for a few seconds and then only reacts when Rooney shoves Ronaldo.

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is there a good clip of the whole incident?

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some idiot has started www.ihateronaldo.com i for one will get behind both players an hope they put any if ANY differences aside to play for there club in coming season.

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There are loads on You Tube.

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Firstly England didn't deserve to go through as they never created any out and out chance's. They have no divine right to qualify which the England press and fans seem to think they have.

The Ronald situation is simply. He never kicked anyone or started pushing people about. On the other hand Rooney did both, which equals a red card.

Perhaps Portugal targeted Rooney and it worked. Rooney has a short temper so why not use that to you advantage? Cast you mind back to Portugalââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s previous match and you will see the Holland players deliberately targeted Ronald.

Ronald will become the scapegoat for England just as there is always one. But the truth is England players didn't play well and made hard work of T&T in which crouch cheated to score (Hair pulling) and it went un noticed which, is typical of the likes of Ian Wright who we won't be seeing until Englandââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s next game (thankfully). I love the look on his face every time the get put out in fact it made my day!

Alan sheerer is another fine example of a pundit who only supports England then disappears till the next finals. He was the type of player who used his elbows and stood on playerââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s heads (McLennan) his whole career. Then had the cheek to say that England are too nice? Thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s fine being nice but what does it win you? That maybe why England don't win anything

RONALDO=LEGEND!!
NORTHERN IRELAND 1 ENGLAND 0
Your just not very good!

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Sure they do.

Great 1st post, btw. Very thoughtful...

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to be fair, yeah, it doesn't make sense. but when rooney goes back to the ref, the ref does seem to make a "stamping" gesture

why did i have to view the clip with the portuguese commentary? :)

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Our what isn't very good?

;)

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Lennon you mean. And didn't the head of the FA later claim that Shearer threatened to pull out of the World Cup if he was punished for this?

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Well take your pick from:

Football
Rugby
cricket
tennis

I was meaning football as it was what i was talking about the entire post! :rolleyes:

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i think he was referring to your spelling being crap

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Yea thats what i mean't don't no where i got that from! :D

I doubt england wouldn't have taken their captain to the world cup. Thats just shearer backing them into a corner in order to get cleared.

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Yep, and was referring to the grammar :PP: (which is why I put the ;) in :) )

Anyway:

Football - one of the 8 best teams in the world isn't bad. Could be better, but there you go :)

Rugby - former world champions isn't bad. Bit of a rocky patch at the mo, but that's probably more due to the coach than the players :)

Cricket - one of the best teams in the world at the minute and, if I remember rightly, wasn't Flintoff the world player of the year?

Tennis - you can have this one; the English are genetically crap at tennis :D

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Up to the point where Ronaldo comes wading in it certainly looks as if the ref is just waiting for the 'crowd' to clear so the free kick can be played.

The ref was close enough to see if the 'stamp' was deliberate - it certainly doesn't look it - in fact I reckon Rooney is trying to put his leg between the other player's to regain the ball - as he has his back to him he can't actually see he's down.

Of course when Ronaldo comes running in to make a noise, then if Rooney had at one time considered him a 'friend' I would imagine Rooney must have felt pretty badly betrayed, at that point.

The gamesmanship that the Portugese display seems to be a substitute for proper playing skill. The harder they find it to get ahead, the more they dive and act up.

Maybe Ronaldo shouldn't be the 'scapegoat', and maybe it isn't 'cheating' - but it certainly isn't sportsmanlike. And I don't see why we can't expect more sportsmanlike behaviour - even in the World Cup.

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i don't get why flintoff was joint player of the year, i ****ing hate kallis

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Have you never spelt a word wrong before then? :rolleyes:

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you watching the same clip?

bull. you can clearly see him make no attempt to play the ball. you can clearly see him swing backwards AWAY from the ball

well, ricardo carvalho's foot is in front of rooney's at the time, so he could clearly tell he was behind him

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I suspect many other prepubescent boys who think they're any good at football would agree with you.

Unfortunately, Ronaldo also lack the maturity, like his fanbase.
And NI is so brilliant? At what?

Anyway, aren't you supposed to be in school? I didn't think the summer holidays started for another week or so.

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the tone of my response was due to the tone of your respnse
" was meaning football as it was what i was talking about the entire post! :rolleyes:"

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Not at the rate of 2/post he hasn't :D

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Sorry there are no friends when you are on opposite teams.

Do you think Rooney thought when playing arsenal, oh Sol is my England team mate, I better not dive, don't want to betray him?

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6, not 2 :)

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I imagine so
Because he can't play the ball - he's got to get his foot in a position to play the ball. It wasn't a tackle - just scrabbling for the ball.
So he know he's behind him, but not whether he's standing up or not.

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Lots of things. Snooker World Champions, Boxing World Champions, smallest nation ever to reach the 1/4 finals of the world cup.

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Football - Would you have settled for that a month ago?
Rugby - Haven't won many matches since and are slipping further down the six nations table every year
Cricket - Have to admit im not really a cricket fan but have been poor since the ashes, The world cup will be the true test cause it won't be againist one team on home turf!
Tennis - True

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he goes to play the ball but instead changes his mind and decides to swing his foot as far away from one ball :) as possible

a good sign as to how deliberate it was is his lack of an argument. if anything, he just goes to ask the ref what he got sent off for and accepted it

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yeah but it's a different type of game is the world cup to the ashes

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They don't have to be enemies either. It's not war!
I would much rather that all players of any team/country would choose not to try and rely on theatrics.

If I see any player dive I get annoyed and frustrated - it make a joke of football. How can you take a sport serious where someone's ability to fake an elbow to the face is rated equally to their ability to score a goal?

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the problem with diving is how inconsistent the refs are with it.

adraino got booked for a blatant dive, as did that ghana player, yet cristiano ronaldo dives blatantly twice and didn't even get warned for it

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lol I too will be glad to see back of Shearer and Wright they make me sick only turn up to pundit England games and don't bother to try and talk sense about other nations.

Remember Wright when Mighty N.Ireland went 1-0 at Windsor? i wish i could have got that moment framed.

As for attacking someones spelling, if i may twist the words of Alan Shearer maybe its just N.Ireland we are too honest here but we wouldn't attack someone over spelling over here it just does'nt happen here! LOL

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Firstly we produced the best footballer that britian has ever had and indeed we are the smallest team to reach the 1/4 finals. The difference is we know are limits and don't cry when they aren't reached! we are ranked just inside the top 100 and therefore shouldn't qualify for the wc or beat teams like england...thats right we did! :D

By the way im 22 and go to uni!

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Bias! :)

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The worst dive of the tournament has got to be the other Ronaldo on Saturday night.

Retrospective punishments is the only way to sort it out. Have a team review each games and dish out bans and fines for diving and faking injury.

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:p:

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1. i haven't seen the ronaldo incident
2. teams or the FA

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Like I said - neither of those shows in your posts here, so far.

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i've seen the Rooney clip time and again and i'm still not sure if it was on purpose or not.. sometimes i see it from one angle and it is and sometimes i see the other side and think he didn't do it on purpose

anyone seen anything official yet to say if Rooney was sent off for a push on Ronaldo or a foul on Carvalho ?

despite this the facts are

• if Rooney wasn't playing as a lone striker.. something he can't do he wouldn't be so wound up
• we played rubbish in all 5 games.. consistent but still rubbish
• we still can't play for 90 mins let alone 120
• we didn't score against Portugal
• we didn't perform well enough to win the tournament
• Sven didn't have a clue what he was doing
• Jenas and Walcott had a free holiday

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not seen that one but Veira has been doing plenty this tournament.. how about his i'm injured i'm going to roll about.. hang on henry has scored i'll get up now

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And your posts have showed maturity??? this is a forum for discussion not personal attacks. . . You have only posted around 60 odd times who you to judge if persons posts are :tu: / :td:

:monkey:

I don't think you will know full story about Ronaldo til Portugal win or get put out of WC.

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the football in the tournament has been good, but it's a shame that diving is a valid talking point :(

i do agree that from the back it does look like an accident, but it's difficult to judge a backwards swing from behind

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only time will tell. ill be interested to hear Rooneys official statement.

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What personal 'attacks'?
Who's counting? I am perfectly able to judge the quality of a post, for that I only have to read posts and compare, hence my post count is irrelevant in this case.

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*raises hand*

i didn't know we could do thumbs up/thumbs down emoticons

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least i have been of some assistance today lol

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Thats very true just because they got beat and can't take it! im sick of this whole im better than you attitude which the english have! Is it any wonder nobody likes you! then they complain when other's don't support their team or their views!

England need to grow up and stop blaming evryone else! Your football team is rubbish and you only every won anything because it was on home truf! And that was nearly half a century ago! i can't wait when we get to the 'We won the the world cup 72 years ago' stage, and there will be a day when that is true!

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yep, ALL english people are the same and ALL english people think they are better than everyone else

any other dumb generalizations from you while we're still here?

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In all fairness, for someone who's sick of the 'I'm better than you' attitude, I noticed that in your first post, you felt compelled to point out that Northern Ireland beat England :shrug: Oh, and for the record, well done to them - on the day, they were far better.

Again, I find it a little hard to say that England are rubbish when they got to the last 8 of the World Cup. By definition, that means that they are one of the 8 best teams in the world.

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let's count how many 2006 world cup matches northen ireland played in shall we?

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lets stick to talkin bout Ronaldo lol

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who is portugal's number 7 anyway?

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i believe the correct answer is figo chris ! :)

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*slaps forehead*

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Surely it's Luis Figo - I've no idea who this Figo Chris is ;) :D

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oh jesus worst Sarcasm of the day award :p:

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Oh, I can get worse than that :D

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:)

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Here it is...

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well he's not going to admit to deliberately doing it. if he did that then the ban is much longer

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http://www.ihateronaldo.com/

if it has not been posted.....just for the people who hate/escape goat :D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc53gTIpa8A

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Looks like Ronaldo could get the best young player of the world cup award... voting ends today, Valencia is just behind him ;)

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/.../eligible.html

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Was the happiest moment of my life. Still, cheering on France was a little odd!

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Looks like the tactical voting might work - Valencia is now 100K votes ahead of Ronaldo :D

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Would have been funnier if they all voted for Walcott.

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Excellent! For a while there I was thinking it wasn't going to work.

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It's not going to work. FIFA decide who win, the voting is just for a shortlist.

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I disagree - it has worked, Ronaldo is no longer in top place.

If FIFA even remotely consider giving the award to Ronaldo they'll do even more damage to the bad reputation of the game than they have already done throughout this World Cup.

At this rate it won't be a matter of who qualifies so much as who can be bothered to participate...

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Top place doesn't matter, read the rules, the top three from the vote and then 3 other players chosen by FIFA form a short list from which a winner is selected. So just cause Ronaldo isn't top any more doesn't mean he won't win.

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Pretty blatant - a public vote, but no matter what FIFA still get to select the top 3!

Laughable, because it only goes to confirm that FIFA is corrupt to the core, and that the 'right' result is entirely in their gift, and hence can be paid for - like everything else about this World Cup, it is quite plain to see that FIFA's decisions (even those pertaining to the rules and refereeing guidelines) are all about making money an very little to do with football.

It's a shame, but it was high time that (international) football was relegated compared to sports where sportsmanship, rather than gamesmanship, is considered the norm.

FIFA is becoming just like the monster that is FIA...

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that's odd, ever since fifa put in those guidelines the football has been much better

i'm not sure what the problem is, FIFA have a better idea as to who was the best youngster than all the biased fans.

look at it this way:
118733 voted for leo messi - who didn't do much all tournament
46031 voted for rooney - who didn't do much all tournament and left in disgrace
19575 voted for some iranian player
4239 voted for guillermo ochoa - did he even play?
1838 voted for jansen for germany - did he even play?
1727 voted for the most overrated forward to ever play(ryan babel)
1588 voted for ustari - he didn't even play
464 voted for hedwig and the angry inch - he was crap

now would you say the fans had a better idea as to who was best?

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You've obviously watching a different World Cup to me then.
In which case, why the pretence of a 'public vote'?

As it happens, I know this 'vote' is badly flawed, because people's predilection for voting for their 'favourite' rather than 'the best'.

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yep, clearly i (and a lot of others) have

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Go on, you know you want to.:D



http://www.punchaceleb.com/

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Satisfaction guaranteed... i'm on my second mouse! :D

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Ron's gone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/5120332.stm

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That will be a shame if he does go ;)

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after seeing his antics today....good riddance, what a spoilt child he has become.. :( i will certainly not be mourning this loss...