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Richard M 24-07-2004 13:55

Re: torrent downloads in belfast
 
I think so yeah, I know you can pause downloads and shut down the client.
If you're getting slow speeds remember to check that people can connect to you, i.e. port forwarding on your router.

paulyoung666 24-07-2004 15:10

Re: torrent downloads in belfast
 
what i have noticed is that azureus doesnt seem to cripple my browsing , bitcomet used to for some reason , even if the max upload was set to 10k/s on a 1 mb line :erm:

peacedude2k4 26-07-2004 21:52

Re: torrent downloads in belfast
 
problem with torrents sometimes is like i had once

I was downloading a album of which everyone seemed to have 94% i got 120kbs solid till 94% then a solid 0kbs, just depends if u race above the person with high upload rate say,

You download a torrent

100mb say

someone is uploading at 86kbs but only had 92% and the person in front of him is only uploading at 3kbs

When you hit 92% you will not be downloading from this person at 86kbs you will move to the person at 3kbs although sharing you could only get 1.5kbs if your lucky,

Torrents are a good idea if everyone had 1mb upload and download lol. And actually kept torrents open once downloading and uploaded it.

KyleMac 22-08-2004 12:52

Did ntl neuter bittorrent just before speed increase?
 
This is a c'n'p of what I just posted to the newsgroups.

Usually I can max out both my download and upload on torrents. Now I get
on average 1.1kb/s down, but can still max out my upload.

My cable went down twice before the speed increase. Once for 10 minutes,
then again for 10 minutes 2 days later. When it came back the second
time I had the speed increase.

Thinking back though, bittorrent has been slow since the first downtime,
not the second.

jtwn 22-08-2004 13:35

Re: Did ntl neuter bittorrent just before speed increase?
 
I dont know, i usually hold steady about 65kB/s most of the time on a 1.5mbit.

What bt client do you use? Is there a health status, or a green or yellow light?

KyleMac 22-08-2004 13:40

Re: Did ntl neuter bittorrent just before speed increase?
 
Azureus, and everything has a greenlight.

I haven't changed anything for a few months and everything worked fine until a few days ago.

KyleMac 22-08-2004 14:16

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
My thread has been merged with a 9 months old thread that has nothing to do with my thread other than bittorrent?

This merged thread is a list of obvious solutions that I tried before replying. This isn't some port ****up on my part, this is something ntl has a changed a few days ago during a downtime.

KyleMac 22-08-2004 14:51

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Let me state some things:

1. Everything worked fine until the downtime I mentioned. I haven't changed a thing, it started doing this straight after the downtime.

2. All torrents now on average download at 1.1kb/s, but it sometimes goes up to 2.1kb/s, 3.2kb/s, 4.2kb/s or 5.2kb/s.

3. Manually setting an IP in Azureus makes no difference.

4. It is not a seed or peer problem.
  • These are private torrents on private trackers
  • I've been downloading so slowly for so long that there's now 20 seeds per peer on some torrents.
5. It is not proxy related.
  • I haven't set a proxy in my browser forever
  • I don't use IE
  • Azureus has it's own proxy setting anyway, so it probably doesn't listen to IE/Windows for that information
6. It is not a port problem.
  • These trackers use port 81, so even if it was a proxy problem I don't think port 81 would effect it
  • I have ports 6880-6900 forwarded. It's such a large range due to the early bittorrent clients requiring a different port for each torrent
7. I've been using bittorrent for well over a year now. It has worked flawlessly until the recent downtime.

Chris 22-08-2004 16:18

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Just for you (as I can't be bothered with any P2P personally) I have downloaded and installed Azureus for Mac to try it out on my recently upgraded NTL 750k line. It is now downloading a certain well known and current feature film (which I shall be deleting at the conclusion of this experiment). The average speeds appear to be d/l at 5k, u/l at 10k. So any suggestion of NTL interfering with Bit Torrent across its whole network is a red herring. I have absolutely no idea what the problem is for you, but it isn't anti-P2P activity by NTL.

KyleMac 23-08-2004 07:05

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
I fixed it, bit of an odd solution.

1. Tried shad0w's experimental client, same problem.
2. Uninstalled Azureus and shad0w's (making sure to delete any left over files in the install dir and Documents and Settings).
3. Reinstalled shad0w's, same problem.
4. Reinstalled Azureus, same problem.
5. Uninstalled both clients the same way as before.
6. Reinstalled Azureus. Didn't look like it would work, it was stuck at 1.1kb/s for a while, then 2.1kb/s, then 3.2kb/s, 4.2kb/s, 5.2kb/s... 20kb/s... 160kb/s. Anyone recognise that pattern?
7. Torrents that had an ETA of 1 day were finished in 10 minutes.

The reason? Well I can only guess it's because Azureus was running and downloading during the downtime. When my cable came back up, even though I had the same IP I had to reboot to get back on the net. My only assumption is that some setting changed and the BT clients didn't realise / Windows didn't tell the BT clients. Perhaps something was set to read only when Azureus was running.

NTLVictim 07-09-2004 18:11

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Hi
I get urlopen error (10060 'operation timed out') , and I have to unplug the STB to re-establish any net connection.

I've been told that i may be "maxing out my connection", is there a way round this?

I'm using zonealarm, btw, and e-donkey has the same effect after a while, but no error messages..

Thanks

jtwn 07-09-2004 18:45

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Grab netlimiter or someother bandwidth-limiting app, and limit the upload to 80% of its capacity. Works for me.

NTLVictim 07-09-2004 23:09

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Thanks...

Does NTL kick you off when you max out, then?

Stuartbe 07-09-2004 23:11

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Bittorent will easily max out your upstream. My brother-inlaw uses my network and he will often grind my 2mb connection to a halt :(

Considering blocking the ports ATM... Considering I have given him a machine he can use thats off a different connection.

TheShadow 07-09-2004 23:35

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Download ABC Bittorrent (good P2P bittorrent client, I use it)

http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/download.php

Action > Global Upload Setting. Then tweak the preferences in that. I think the smallest you can set your upload per download is 2 or 3 KBps. Though if you're downloading more than 1 file the limit is seperate so say for example if you've set it to 2KBps limit and you're downloading 2 files then you'll be uploading 4KBps.

Tezcatlipoca 07-09-2004 23:41

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NTLVictim
Thanks...

Does NTL kick you off when you max out, then?

They don't kick you off as such. It's because the connection can't cope with a saturated upstream. STB broadband connections are particularly vulnerable (they can lock up & you then need to reboot them), but I think it does affect standalone cable modem connections too.

Have a read of this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d...mtips/p2p.html


You simply need to limit your upstream speed in your P2P app.

Tezcatlipoca 07-09-2004 23:43

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuartbe
Bittorent will easily max out your upstream. My brother-inlaw uses my network and he will often grind my 2mb connection to a halt :(

Considering blocking the ports ATM... Considering I have given him a machine he can use thats off a different connection.


Block him!!! :D

lozzer 08-09-2004 00:00

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
I have used Bit Torrent for approx 12 months quite successfully.

However, over the last 2 months, I struggle to reach 3KBps now. I use the Bit Tornado client and despite forwarding ports 6881 to 6890, the indicator on all torrents shows yellow which indicates a firewall or port issue (no firewall)

My brother (BT) has no problem.

I swapped the Pace Box for a Samsung one about 6 weeks ago, don't know if this is a coincidence.

I have tried all the tricks from the forums, but no joy.

I have rang NTL who were not interested so I have told them to cancel the TV, take away the STB and install a Cable Modem. I will give it a try before switching over to ADSL.

NTLVictim 08-09-2004 07:40

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Thanks for all your help people..:)

Oh, am I right in saying you can't port-forward/manage using zonealarm basic?

Is there a freebie out there that is better?

sherer 08-09-2004 09:57

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
i'm coming to the conclusion that any actual use of the STB either in downloading or interactive will basically hang the box at some point.

This is one of the main gripes with NTL and surely one of the main reason's people. Surely NTL know about this but i've never heard anything about them actually doing anything about it

NTLVictim 09-09-2004 23:29

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Loaded ABC, chugging away nicely....
What is the upload limit on the 750 kb/s service via STB?

How generous could I be with a single torrent running before it all falls apart again?

Electrolyte01 09-09-2004 23:30

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
The upload on the 750k is 128k I think :erm:

Tezcatlipoca 09-09-2004 23:34

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NTLVictim
How generous could I be with a single torrent running before it all falls apart again?

Try & keep your BT client's upload limit to no more than half of your actual upload speed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
The upload on the 750k is 128k I think :erm:


Correct.


300k service - 64k upload

750k service - 128k upload

1.5mb service - 256k upload



EDIT:


@ lozzer -

Make sure you limit the bit torrent client's upload speed.

It also may be worth trying dirrerent ports than the "normal" torrent port range. Some trackers etc will actually block the normal torrent ports, & suggest others instead. e.g. I've seen some recommend 49152 & above.

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 12:09

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Help! :o

I've been using Azureus for a while now on my Windows XP SP2 machine, and its been fine, up until now. Now, when I try to download any torrent, I get a IO Error.

I've already allowed the XP firewall to accept incoming connections to Azureus, and I've run through the Azureus's config wizard to make sure it can accept incoming connections. Only last weekend I could download torrents, now it doesn't wanna know.

Any ideas? Anyone? Please?

MadGamer 18-09-2004 12:34

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Howell
Help! :o

I've been using Azureus for a while now on my Windows XP SP2 machine, and its been fine, up until now. Now, when I try to download any torrent, I get a IO Error.

I've already allowed the XP firewall to accept incoming connections to Azureus, and I've run through the Azureus's config wizard to make sure it can accept incoming connections. Only last weekend I could download torrents, now it doesn't wanna know.

Any ideas? Anyone? Please?

Have you altered any settings recently? Are you on Broadband? What speed is it? Have you tried adjusting your Firewall settings?

paulyoung666 18-09-2004 12:38

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Howell
Help! :o

I've been using Azureus for a while now on my Windows XP SP2 machine, and its been fine, up until now. Now, when I try to download any torrent, I get a IO Error.

I've already allowed the XP firewall to accept incoming connections to Azureus, and I've run through the Azureus's config wizard to make sure it can accept incoming connections. Only last weekend I could download torrents, now it doesn't wanna know.

Any ideas? Anyone? Please?


strange , i aint altered anything and i can download using azureus with sp2 no problem, have you tried reinstalling azureus ???????? :)

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 12:42

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
I'm on NTL Broadband (750K). I was already allowing Azureus to drill through the firewall, and I've now actually added it to XP's Firewall Exceptions list.

Heck, even with the firewall turned off, I still can't download any torrents - I just get this 'IO Error' in Azureus. I can ping the IP address of the Bittorrent tracker sucessfully, so the tracker server appears to be online.

Apart from that, no - no settings changed - its been fine up until today. Only last weekend I was able to download torrents, and the only software I've installed since then has been new virus definations for Norton AntiVirus.

MadGamer 18-09-2004 12:54

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Howell
I'm on NTL Broadband (750K). I was already allowing Azureus to drill through the firewall, and I've now actually added it to XP's Firewall Exceptions list.

Heck, even with the firewall turned off, I still can't download any torrents - I just get this 'IO Error' in Azureus. I can ping the IP address of the Bittorrent tracker sucessfully, so the tracker server appears to be online.

Apart from that, no - no settings changed - its been fine up until today. Only last weekend I was able to download torrents, and the only software I've installed since then has been new virus definations for Norton AntiVirus.

Have you tried:

1) Uninstalling Azureus
2) Deleting the program directory form the C drive
3) Rebooting the PC
4) Reinstalling Azureus
5) Rebooting PC (Again)

Then try again with the downloading.

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 13:31

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne A
Have you tried:

1) Uninstalling Azureus
2) Deleting the program directory form the C drive
3) Rebooting the PC
4) Reinstalling Azureus
5) Rebooting PC (Again)

Then try again with the downloading.

Hi Wayne, tried all that - still can't download anything. I even went through the Azureus guide to do a clean re-install - still can't download anything.

This is odd - its not as if there's anyone living with me, who could dick around with my PC while I was at work. :confused:

paulyoung666 18-09-2004 13:57

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
how much free space have you got on your hard drive ???????? :)

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 14:22

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
how much free space have you got on your hard drive ???????? :)

Over 40 Gigs worth :)

I've been reading up on this IOError on various Bittorrent sites, they all give the same answer, which is this:

"(IOError - [Errno13] Permission denied)

Description:

Sometime bit torrent still runs in the background, and if you start more than one GUI (the same torrent) it will give you permission denied, go to Task manager and close down all bt-gui processes."

....but I only have one Azureus process running in Task Manager, and I've attempted to download different torrents today. The sites also recommend re-starting my PC - been there, done that several times today. :confused:

LostintheNW 18-09-2004 15:34

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Hi
Sorry to kinda go OT on this but I have installed Azureus but when I run the program it claims it cant find java on my machine, yet I have it installed!

I have been through the enable access thing in xp and allowed access to MS Java but that doesnt seem to solve the problem. It directs me to download the sun java program but I dont need that

Anyone can help?

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 16:11

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LostintheNW
Hi
Sorry to kinda go OT on this but I have installed Azureus but when I run the program it claims it cant find java on my machine, yet I have it installed!

I have been through the enable access thing in xp and allowed access to MS Java but that doesnt seem to solve the problem. It directs me to download the sun java program but I dont need that

Anyone can help?

Are you running it on XP?

I tried using Azureus on my old Windows 98 machine, I couldn't get it to work, even after installing the version of Java which Azureus requires.

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 17:03

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Son of a bitch!!!!! :mad:

Up until now, I always done a right-click and 'Copy Shortcut' to get the address of the torrent file. BUT - SuprNova now checks for referrers when you download torrents from there - so, now, you have to click on the torrent file - that will fire up your BT client and your PC will enter downloading heaven.

Thanks to everyone for their help. :)

paulyoung666 18-09-2004 18:13

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
its always the simple things aint it :D :D :D :D

MadGamer 18-09-2004 19:42

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
its always the simple things aint it :D :D :D :D

Err ok then.... *Thinks to himself, has py666 gone loopey in the head?*

Electrolyte01 18-09-2004 20:03

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne A
Err ok then.... *Thinks to himself, has py666 gone loopey in the head?*

You only just started to think about that? I figured it out when I saw my first post from him :D :angel:

paulyoung666 18-09-2004 20:04

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne A
Err ok then.... *Thinks to himself, has py666 gone loopey in the head?*


Err ok then.... what exactly dont you understand , as i see it , it was a simple thing that wasnt picked up on , when you have a few more years under your belt you will come to realise that a lot of ppl miss the silly obvious things and go and look for the more serious ' world is going to end ' type things ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
You only just started to think about that? I figured it out when I saw my first post from him :D :angel:


oh really , well if you wanna talk tough then nip on a bus and i will give you my address , if not , be quiet ;) :D :D :D :D

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 20:11

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
its always the simple things aint it :D :D :D :D

I know :) , I gotta laugh really - there I was, unstalling and reinstalling Azureus, doing reseach on BT errors - and all that time, I could have just clicked on the torrent links on Suprnova.

Now, I just gotta wait for my 'Stargate' episodes to download, and I'll be a happy chappy. :)

paulyoung666 18-09-2004 20:14

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Howell
I know :) , I gotta laugh really - there I was, unstalling and reinstalling Azureus, doing reseach on BT errors - and all that time, I could have just clicked on the torrent links on Suprnova.

Now, I just gotta wait for my 'Stargate' episodes to download, and I'll be a happy chappy. :)


exactly my point :tu:

enjoy the stargate's :) but dont forget to delete them once you have watched them ;) , then go out and buy the originals ;)

Electrolyte01 18-09-2004 20:20

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
oh really , well if you wanna talk tough then nip on a bus and i will give you my address , if not , be quiet ;) :D :D :D :D

*Hides under the bed* STAY AWAY FROM ME!!!! :D :D :disturbd: :disturbd:

HDFootyMan 18-09-2004 20:22

Re: [merged] NTL & BitTorrent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
exactly my point :tu:

enjoy the stargate's :) but dont forget to delete them once you have watched them ;) , then go out and buy the originals ;)

Always do - got Seasons 1 to 6 already of SG-1. Will buy Altantis Season 1 when it comes out - assuming of course, I have any ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ ’‚£Ãà¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£Ãƒâ₠¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ left by then - I've just splashed out on DS9 Seasons 3 and 4 and of course, Star Wars. :)

Who needs money for food anyway? ;)


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